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The Steadiness on the Farm

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Martin Saffer
Sep 22, 2011
6:17 am
The Steadiness on the Farm

As I read this morning of the pending default of Greece to pay its debts and the world economy faltering with the United States borrowed to the hilt, I think how lucky a person here is to have a garden and a few steers or lambs and the rock steadiness this life represents to us in the face of world economic depression. When things comes down to the wire, the family with land can always survive while those without this God given blessing can not. Land well tended will sustain its owner for limitless generations.

jblee
Sep 22, 2011
7:37 am
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Well said Martin, for the few lucky enough to have and hold on to it in these times, my hat is off to you and your limitless generations. The masses in the cities DO NOT, and are becoming more and more dependent on handouts. Look at the escalation of USDA food stamp recipients in the last 4 years for an example at the USDA http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm
Oct of 2007 was at 27.0M in Jun 2010 it was 45.1M we all need to help one another more than what we are doing now.

JIM
Sep 22, 2011
8:15 am
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Martin, when the economic collapse comes, those millions of people (good and bad) in the cities will leave the cities to look for food and shelter. You may not be as secure as you think.
There will come a time when it will be as dangerous to have as to not have.

Martin Saffer
Sep 22, 2011
8:21 am
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Jim, The point I am trying to make here is that in the end "money" no matter how much you stuff in the barn, can not be eaten or drunk. The sustaining blessing is land left productive and for future generations. Look far forward beyond yourself and you may see, as I, that the productive fruitful Eden we inhabit here is a blessing beyond quick riches and plunder which if chosen will not be forgiven by those hungry soles who come after us.

normanalderman
Sep 22, 2011
12:11 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Excellent idea to resolve the fracking problem:

I read this morning that WVU is paying students $20 not to wear vulgar T-Shirts. And I know the U.S. gov pays people not to grow certain crops. So why not pay people not to lease their gas. I don't see how anyone would oppose being paid not to drill. The money: Our Farmland Protection Board already pays out thousands per acre that the only thing people can do is farm it. Maybe they would start paying other people not to lease their gas. After all, most people just what to push back the inevitable drilling by a couple years until the tech can catch up. I would be willing to enter a lease for a couple years while we are waiting. I figure we ought to get at least the same as a farmer who rents grazing land. We raise hundreds of thousands of dollars yearly through tourism. This way tourism could pay for itself and help the poor farmer live.

What do you think?

Martin Saffer
Sep 22, 2011
12:30 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Norman, why not just simply not lease because it is the right thing to do?

normanalderman
Sep 22, 2011
1:29 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

I haven't leased "yet." I am waiting to get my best price.
Isn't that what they do with the Farmland Protection Program
or when you do a contract for the cleaning of the ORU. Go
for the best price!!

normanalderman
Sep 22, 2011
1:31 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

I am still trying to figure out where Mr. Swecker lives. It wouldn't be out of the county? Would it?

Trish McNaull
Sep 22, 2011
3:58 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Aren't there values in our lives that simply are not for sale, that we prize enough not to sell at any price? Love, beauty, serenity, trees, animals, children, community, health, friends, regard for others, water, responsibility for the well-being of others, the quiet character of our countryside - I don't think there are any passages in anyone's Bible that support avarice.

normanalderman
Sep 22, 2011
5:09 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Trish, what's wrong with selling my gas. I buy gas almost everyday. You buy gas. We all buy gas.
I am glad that the Arabs sell us gas. That is awfully nice of them. I strongly suspect that they are
not giving their gas away. They probably charge for it, don't you figure? Gas comes from somewhere; I figure
below the ground. We wouldn't think of a moratorium on trees, so why gas? People got to live!

freeholder
Sep 22, 2011
5:20 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

What is afoot if the pleas fail?What is the contingency plan? If the drillers cannot be kept away from Morgantowns water supply,who can keep them away from Pocahontas? Realistically,the destruction is on its way;why not do what Alaska did? They give all residents a monthly or yearly check from the profits of oil and gas.Pocahontas should do likewise.

Martin Saffer
Sep 22, 2011
5:59 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

If you think it is inevitable it will be. If you think you have no voice, you don't. If you think the job at hand is huge, you are right. But no action is an invitation. Don't you think the coal camps of yesteryear are enough to spur you on this time against folly and usurpation by big industry? Think for yourself. Act for the sake of your children's children. Ask yourself is not living in the beauty of this glorious place not sufficient to your needs.

normanalderman
Sep 22, 2011
6:12 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

John Adams, in A Defense of the American Constitutions, wrote “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If Thou shalt not covet and Thou shalt not steal were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”

normanalderman
Sep 22, 2011
6:14 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Freeholder, that is the idea! I propose that we give a check to every citizen of Pocahontas county from the taxes raised through the sale of natural gas. Alaska has it right!! Tht's why I like Gov Palin so much!

freeholder
Sep 22, 2011
10:50 pm
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

The mountaintop removal was bravely fought often by non West Virginians, Remember that the destructive practice was approved by the Supreme Court. Pardon my realism, but I look for that to happen also in Marcellus. Mr. Saffer, if words written and spoken against the drillers were to be measured in time, how many hours or days have been used? and what has happened?The jobs are almost shovel ready.We can blog and blog, write haiku about our matchless rhododendron,pen odes to our Garden of Eden, glorify our one of a kind bucolic lifestyle,but in a capitalist country,capital will win. Here is hoping I am wrong, but just in case,follow the example of Alaska.Start by getting it on the ballot as they did.

normanalderman
Sep 23, 2011
2:08 am
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

I, too, hear the voice of defeat in the opponents of progress. They found their way to Pocahontas and now want to close the gate to others who would go through it.

Martin Saffer
Sep 23, 2011
5:57 am
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

I look for "progress" to come from education and the development of the human spirit and a healthy community not from exploitation of the earth that sustains us. Why kill the goose that lays the golden egg? Norman, your positions are rhetorical I assume because they speak of such exaggerated steps leading to nowhere. The notion that we would be "rich" without water and our beautiful paradise of a county is absurd!

Higher Ground
Sep 23, 2011
9:25 am
Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

Here’s to Mr. Saffer for holding out hope and for trying. As I’ve said before, he and his fellow commissioners are showing remarkable leadership. Most West Virginia local officeholders would be angling the drillers for a job for their brother-in-law. We’re very lucky, whether or not our commissioners are successful in their efforts to stop the degradation that drilling will inevitably bring. The alternative is just to shut up and pretend to enjoy it. I’m probably as cynical as anyone about the prospects, but without words of protest and attempts at education we are lost.

“Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.“
Dylan Thomas

Keep it up, Mr. Saffer. Many are behind you.

“It’s not over till it’s over.”
Yogi Berra

JIM
Sep 23, 2011
4:46 pm

Modified Sep 25, 2011 @ 9:19 am

Re: The Steadiness on the Farm

I would doubt that any one would agree with the goose laying a "golden egg". There is very limited opportunity for a good paying job in Pocahontas Co.
I think you will have a hard time selling the education side to someone who graduates with a degree and thousands of dollars of debt to go to work Wal-Mart or for a mc-job and that is even if they can find employment at those places.
It is my opinion that your views and those that agree come from a group that has already got it made.

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