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The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

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Martin Saffer
Jul 22, 2011
5:24 pm
The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

§7-1-3kk. Authority to provide for the elimination of hazards to public health and safety; penalty.
In addition to all other powers and duties now conferred by law upon county commissions, commissions are hereby authorized to enact ordinances, issue orders and take other appropriate and necessary actions for the elimination of hazards to public health and safety and to abate or cause to be abated anything which the commission determines to be a public nuisance. The ordinances may provide for a misdemeanor penalty for its violation. The ordinances may further be applicable to the county in its entirety or to any portion of the county as considered appropriate by the county commission.

Martin Saffer
Jul 22, 2011
5:54 pm
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I propose this Commission Resolution as a first step on the reasoned path to appropriate action under this statute:
Finding:

  1. Commission has a DUTY to protect public health which it can not ignore.
  2. Hydro-fracturing in drilling in the Marcellus shale represents an imminent danger to the public health and safety.
  3. Vast amounts of water necessary for hydro-fracturing may seriously deplete existing water supplies necessary to the health and use of the general public.
  4. Water used in the process of hydro-fracturing is a hazardous material because of its contamination by chemicals, substances and gases which are dangerous to health and water supplies relied on by the public.
  5. The storage and disposal of contaminated water used in hydro-fracturing represent an unacceptable danger to public health and existing clean water reserves.
  6. State regulations are not up to the task of protecting the health and safety of County residents from the dangers of hydro-fracturing.

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I welcome everyone's input

Martin Saffer
Jul 22, 2011
5:58 pm
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For the record my small farm is not leased for gas drilling and, in fact, is under the Farm Land Protection Program and may never be used for drilling or mining or any other extractive process.

Jeffrey Hall
Jul 23, 2011
6:14 pm
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I hope all county commissions in this State will explore this issue to the extent shown by the leadership of Commissioner Saffer in Pocahontas County.
It is clear that this leadership will not come from Charleston. First, the legislature failed to act (and I'm not just talking about the most recent session--it's not like Marcellus leasing has been going on only in the past year). Big gas has and will continue to cozy up to the legislators, making any legislation weak and meaningless. Second, the govenor or "acting" govenor recently issued "emergency rules" for Marcellus drilling. A review of the same confirms the first comment: weak and meaningless. They offer no real protections that have not already been enacted into law previously--current law so one-sidely protects the gas industry, plain and simple.

How many examples do folks need about the documented dangers of this type of drilling?

Just ask the folks up in Bradford County, PA, where because of the Marcellus drilling activities by Chesapeake (one of the largest drillers/lessees), methane, ethane, barium and other harmful substances entered into and contaminated residents' water supply. The contamination has caused themr to suffer a variety of problems, including contact dermatitis, gastro-intestinal discomfort, barium poisoning, pain, numbness to their face and hands, deformities of the bones of thier hands, and headache, among other injuries. Or ask the folks of Washington County, PA, where after a Marcellus drilling operation water supplies several miles from the drilling sites had methane levels 17 times acceptable levels, to the extent that several well dependent residents could strike a match setting their water on fire! These examples from actual Marcellus drilling sites can go on and on. Newspapers in Pennsylvania and New York are full of these examples.

Absent any real expectation of receiving protections from Charlestion, I implore all County Commissions to take action banning Marcellus drilling--yes, there will be lawsuits over such a ban, but better to act now before the contamination occurs. Once our water is ruined, no landowner lawsuit can restore the same, no matter what the monetary award.

This is a leadership issue. Mr. Saffer, keep this issue alive.

freeholder
Jul 23, 2011
8:45 pm
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What is your plan to keep drilling from happening,or to stop what has already begun? . Will you get help from the authorities of the National Forest?Will they send out helicopters to check for shale drilling projects or will the state do so ? If you find someone drilling, who physically stops them?
Pocahontas is remote and sparsely settled, so drilling on large private tracts of land or in the area of the forest may not be reported.

Allen Johnson
Jul 24, 2011
12:29 am
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Martin,

I commend you for working up a resolution for the county commission as a first step. It's a great start. Of course, a resolution is only words unless it can be backed up by law, and that needs to be a step taken as soon as possible!

The gas industry will bully those who resist, but we must not back down. As you say, our way of life will drastically change if gas drilling commences in our area. And for most people, change for the worse.

The "Takings" issue needs a strong judge to put it to rest. To use an analogy, I have a fishing license. I can take my rod and reel and catch a limit of fish, take them home, clean them, feed my family. But I cannot go out to the fishing hole, throw a lighted stick of dynamite into the pool, collect my fish, and head home. Why not? Isn't a fish a fish no matter how it is taken? Maybe the fish is a fish, but the dynamite wreaks havoc on the ecology of the stream! And that is what is the problem with hydrofrracking. It's the method, not the product, that is the main problem. Simply speaking, getting the gas out of the ground through hydrofracking is simply too disruptive to the community, too hazardous to health, too consumptive of water, too burdening to traffic patterns, too disruptive to neighbors.

One other matter that you might consider for your resolution. Hydrofracking may make some larger landowners very rich. However, I would counter that their neighbors with small holdings, perhaps just a house on an acre or so, unable to profit upon the gas leasing, will have their property values plummet. After all, why live in Pocahontas County if the gas flaring obliterates the starry night sky? If diesel trucks constantly drive by day and night? If their bucolic views are shattered by industrial equipment?

Jobs? A lot of the drillers would be out-of-state, transient workers. They will make the restaurant and bar owners and some of the motel owners happy. But not that many will bring their families here to raise, nor will they help coach youth league sports, help out with civic affairs, etc, in other words, join the community.

A final word, a strong one. The Marcellus gas issue will split the county into those who love money, and those who love to tend to God's good earth.

Martin, be strong on this!

--Allen Johnson

normanalderman
Jul 24, 2011
5:33 am
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Marty, thanks for your reference to state law but please don't forget the US Constitution which says that gov shall not take property without just compensation. That is federal law. If you pass a moratorium as suggested, you need to be prepared to pay those who have gas under their property. You can't take their minerals without paying them. Those belong to them.

As a point of reference, you might want to check with Senator Walt Helmick who had coal under the National Forest. See what happened when the gov tried to refuse him the right to mine his goal. That will be something of a bell weather in the future.

Plus you might want to consider that hydrofracking has been approved of by our state government. In fact, it is so "safe" that the salts which are buried 5,000 feet deep are considered so safe by the state that they have declared that they can safely be used as deicer on the highways. If that is the case, what would we have to worry about in regard to clean water. All roads have side ditches which are designed to collect water and direct them to the adjacent stream.

How can you say that hydrofracking is hazardous when it is allowed to enter our water supplies?

Martin Saffer
Jul 24, 2011
6:02 am
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Norman you write, of course, with "tongue in check"....I hope. Yes our State Senator and champion of the common good Walt Helmick did in fact hold the United States Forest Service hostage on the "takings" issue when his "coal rights" were purchased from him so he would not carry though his threat of strip mining coal on Briary Knob which he brought on the proposal of a coal fired power plant in Hillsboro.. It is a portend of bad legal news that may come. The rubber of the Constitution meets the road of the common good on private property issues yes but to my thinking you are not talking private property if with that property your are at the same time ruining a water supply and endangering public health..Your beloved private property wont be fit to stay on a single day if the water here is ruined. And your culture and history which you obviously care about will exist then only in the faded photos you save because if drilling comes every single thing you have loved here will change.

been here
Jul 24, 2011
4:50 pm
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martin are you willing to ban natural gas or anything made from natural gas from being sold in poca co.

RML
Jul 24, 2011
5:59 pm
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Good points, Martin. Private property rights are not a blank check. They come with responsibilities and are not a license for one neighbor to ruin the property of another. Property rights end at the property boundary. The impact of what someone does to their land also ends at the property boundary.

Likewise with gas drilling. I have the right to drill where I control the mineral rights. I do not have the right to contaminate the land around my drill site or foul my neighbor's water supply.

And there's the problem. Quick-and-dirty drilling for Marcellus gas allows layers of drinking water to mix with deeper layers contaminated by brine, minerals and/or hydrocarbons. The result: the entire water supply can become becomes contaminated. Pollution shows no respect for property boundaries.

There is an easy fix -- the gas companies could spend a few more dollars to isolate and protect our water supplies. But State regulators do not require safe drilling. And State legislators do what the gas companies desire. Our only hopes are for local government to ban the practice and for landowners to 'just say no'. -- Rich

RML
Jul 24, 2011
6:54 pm
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Note to "been here": Are you saying: Because we ban private ownership of nuclear weapons we should also ban electricity from nuclear power plants? And ban light bulbs because they emit some radiation? What does your comment contribute to this discussion? -- Rich

freeholder
Jul 24, 2011
8:48 pm
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A month or so ago, a prominent ,private resident informed me that he/she had already received a payment of a third of a million for natural gas or something connected to it,s drilling.My point is : if drilling has already started, who stops it and how?Certainly ,RML shows intelligence aplenty when suggesting that the gas companies protect our water before drilling.The legislators and regulators should be officially asked by commissioners and citizens groups just what they have done to protect us and our pure water. This shale drilling story has been in the news for months now and they should be speaking up and taking action'

Higher Ground
Jul 25, 2011
9:41 am
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Have at it, Mr. Saffer. You make us all proud.

As to a potential lawsuit based on a taking, §29-12A-5 of the West Virginia Code deals with the grant of immunity from liability to certain governmental bodies, including county commissions. It reads, in pertinent part:

“(a) A political subdivision is immune from liability if a loss or claim results from:

(1) Legislative or quasi-legislative functions;

(2) Judicial, quasi-judicial or prosecutorial functions;

(3) Execution or enforcement of the lawful orders of any court;”

(4) Adoption or failure to adopt a law, including, but not limited to, any statute, charter provision, ordinance, resolution, rule, regulation or written policy;”

Were the Commission to enact an ordinance banning drilling, and a suit resulted claiming that the ordinance had “taken” property, the Commission would claim immunity from suit under §29-12A-5 because the statute gives immunity to the Commission from suits arising under its legislative functions, and from suits arising out of the adoption of a law.

Obviously, thorough legal research should be done on the liability question. But it seems that the County may be immune from liability if it enacts an ordinance. This doesn’t prevent a court from overturning the ordinance. But it may keep the County from being liable for damages if it turns out that the ordinance exceeds the powers of the Commission.

RML
Jul 25, 2011
12:56 pm
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Freeholder: Generally speaking, the public must force politicians to do what’s right. A County ordinance may delay drilling and buy us some time to better protect our groundwater. In addition, since folks in Charleston can’t seem to recognize the public interest, let’s show them the way.

Higher Ground: Excellent research. The County is not powerless. If we ban deep drilling, the gas industry will still need to pay on existing contracts until it’s all sorted out in court. Perhaps it's time to use what power we have to do whatever we can. -- Rich

Martin Saffer
Jul 25, 2011
1:19 pm
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Higher Ground: I believe the statute you refer to applies to personal liability protection for Commissioners acting in their lawful legislative capacity and to to an immunity for the County itself on a "takings" liability if found. I have submitted this to the Law School for their view. Will advise further.

Martin Saffer
Jul 25, 2011
4:39 pm
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Here is a reply just received from Professor Bastress:

I've researched this one pretty well. I can say that the county would be immune under Section 29-12A-5 for its legislative acts against state statutory theories, such as preemption. It would not, however, have immunity against a takings claim under either the federal or state constitutions. Of course, if an ordinance is found to effect a taking, you can repeal the ordinance and would be liable for only the property owner's loss from a "temporary taking." In the case of, say, a ban on Marcellus fracking, the temporary damages from a ban would ordinarily not be significant (barring a sudden plunge in natural gas prices) because the gas will still be there waiting to be exploited. Here in Morgantown, we face a somewhat different situation since the gas company has already leased the equipment at a very expensive rate. If the city shuts down the drilling through its ban on fracking and the gas company has to pay for the driller and the ban is later found to be a taking, the city could be on the hook for some considerable damages. It is also clear that legislators (including those in local governmental bodies) have absolute immunity from personal liability for their legislative acts.

I had intended, but failed, to respond to your earlier e-mail about a ban on fracking being a regulation of a particular form of activity, as opposed to a property regulation. That is the argument -- that fracking is simply a form of common law nuisance that local governments can prohibit. The counter is that, without the ability to frack, the driller's acquired interest in the Marcellus shale is totally worthless. My growing sense is that the resolution of the competing interests rests entirely on the leanings of the judicial decision-maker.
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Martin Saffer
Jul 25, 2011
4:42 pm
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This ultimate question is still up for grabs but is a seedling thrown upon the barren ground of little precedent.

JIM
Jul 25, 2011
8:43 pm
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I understand "been here's" opinion. Obtaining gas in this manner is hazardous, what right does one have to use this product at the peril of others that are or maybe harmed by this process.
It seems we are very willing to use products and demand these products from a manufacturing process that is harmful to those that are close or involved in the process.
However I do believe that Hydrofracking is hazardous and there are safer methods on the horizon, Liquid Propane Gel shows great promise.

Is it right to buy products made by child labor if one knows that it was made by child labor. We know that the natural gas is harvested by hydrofracking and this gas is used in products we use.

Allen Johnson
Jul 26, 2011
3:25 pm
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Professor Bastress wrote, "the argument -- that fracking is simply a form of common law nuisance that local governments can prohibit. The counter is that, without the ability to frack, the driller's acquired interest in the Marcellus shale is totally worthless. My growing sense is that the resolution of the competing interests rests entirely on the leanings of the judicial decision-maker."

If the courts hold that fracking is a legitimate form of drilling, overriding the health and pollution arguments, then another recourse could be to pass fair and equitably applied ordinances that give us at least some heightened degree of protections above what the state is likely to enact.

For example, mandatory test sampling of nearby water wells before drilling, within the radii of the horizontal field. Paid for by the drillers by an independent firm, for baseline water quality.

Restriction on water consumption. Restriction on storage of the removed fracking fluids/water (must be covered, lined, removed within a certain time frame, etc.

Restriction on amount of truck traffic, and including narrow roads, time frames, etc.

Restriction on flaring as a source of light pollution.

As far as Takings, I still argue that the gas industry would be guilty of takings, too, in the sense that it may depreciate nearby property values, harm certain businesses such as the tourism industry, and disrupt quality of life.

Again, Takings should be ruled as commensurate with safety, health, community values, and the long-range integrity of the local communities and ecosystem.

After pressure from the county commission and many citizens, the state denied a permit to blast apart the mountain near Huntersville, on the basis that it would have severe adverse affect upon quality of life in the community.

normanalderman
Jul 26, 2011
4:48 pm
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My gas is for sale: to the driller or to the County Commission. We have already had a meeting with the drillers on Beaver Creek. We have several thousand acres of gas for sale collectively "at the right price." I am concerned about the lack of regulations at this point. Apparently, the state has indeed thrown up its hands in regard to the mess. They allow this stuff to be put on the highways and they have their price: 5 cents per gallon. My neighbors and I as a whole didn't sell our rights because the price of not right.

A moratorium on drilling would mean that I would be paid for my gas by the county and I wouldn't have to sell to the drillers. I would prefer to just sell my gas to the CC and not have my land bothered at all. So have at your moratorium but don't think you are going to merely stop me from reaping the harvest on my land just because you are afraid of the fracking fluid. Men and women must smarter than myself, with much great equipment have now declared that we can dump fracking fluid onto the streams and hence to the side ditches and on to the streams. Therein lies the rub!

There must be a moratorium on the distribution of the fluid itself. So we have a moratorium on drilling, how is that going to stop the dumping of millions of gallons of this stuff on the road as deicer. Other areas will be drilling and we will still have fracking fluid in our water supply. The real danger is right now--today--not merely in the future. Start with a moratorium on land distribution of fracking flue then you can proceed to consider a moratorium on drilling--but not until then.

It may make you feel good that we landowners can't access our owned natural gas but until you stop the distribution of PA, NY, and WV fluids on our land via the DOH you really haven't solved any of the problem with drilling.

Yes, you sold or gave your property rights away to the Farmland Protection Board; I haven't and don't intend to. My gas property is for sell!!

I confess that this issue is perplexing to me. I have been researching this matter in depth. My father leased his gas rights many years ago. He got $$$$ for it! I want some too!!! Let the CC ante up some "green stuff" and we will consider your moratorium. No money, no moratorium.

Government is not shy about regulations. They will come in time! Let's not rush the process here! Please tell me you are considering paying us for your moratorium. THAT IS THE ONLY FAIR THING TO DO!!!

freeholder
Jul 26, 2011
7:45 pm
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Where will Pocahontas get the money to pay for all this gas to which Norman alludes? Another

question---Is it true that CCS and council members cannot be sued for acting in their official capacity?Can they be sued for not acting ? I would like to hear comments about this topic ; it connects with the Durbin situation now. There, mayor and one council person is in litigation over a right of way just to spite a citizen with whom they are angry. This citizen caught one stealing and brought action against him. Right of way discrepancies abound in Durbin even where land has been surveyed,but Mayor council dismisses them with"The town does not get involved in these disputes".

normanalderman
Jul 26, 2011
10:24 pm
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One answer might be the "Farmland Protection Board". Could they not focus on buying up gas rights? All they have to do is pay for "farmland" with the price of the gas included. This is probably going to happen anyway when landowners realize how much their farmland is worth with the gas rights figured in any way. I predict that the "farmland protection" program will be gone with the wind when they figure it out!

normanalderman
Jul 26, 2011
10:51 pm
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There are those who claim that a particular "nuisance" will lower the value of their land thereby depressing its worth. That is a fairly hazy suggestion. However, mineral rights are themselves of great value and a moratorium would in essence make the harvesting of those minerals impossible. The cost would be calculable at the assessor's office. It would be easy to make the case that a moratorium has reduced the value of the land and the landowner has a right to be compensated for that loss. We can see our loss with a moratorium. We can actually calculate the cost.

Perhaps you might suggest that I want the best of both worlds (have my cake and eat it too). So be it. Either allow me to lease and drill or pay me for my assets. Either way the landowner gets paid and that is a happy prospect. I don't care who buys my assets as long as the assets are paid for!!

Martin Saffer
Jul 27, 2011
5:06 am
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Your point would suggest that the Assessor should immediately revalue your property and adjust your tax rate upwards according to your increased valuation. And should there also be an increased tax to you if there is limestone under your land and you "could" open a quarry?

Martin Saffer
Jul 27, 2011
5:41 am
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To Norman Alderman: It is your land do with it what you please. Sell it piece by piece for as much silver and gold and paper money as you can get, layer by layer, tree by tree, and fracture it into surface, gas, minerals, clay, limestone, coal, topsoil, and dust if you like. It is absolutely your choice not mine. Live your life and have your values as you judge best. No one is suggesting otherwise. The discussion about hydro-fracturing really is not about you and your actions and choices made and limited on your land....it is about the public health risks that can spill over to everyone else by hydro-fracturing that is of concern. The issue before everyone is clear; at what point in the law does the creation of damage to public health and safety and creation of common law nuisance limit the right of private gas and mineral extraction?

freeholder
Jul 27, 2011
8:10 am
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Could Pocahontas county,or WV folllow the example of Alaska?There,Sarah Palin declared the oil to belong to all the residents, who receive a yearly payment . Could that happen with the gas in Pokey?I would ask the law school that question. Of course, the drilling would be the older method ,such as methane gel mentioned above. Who owns the gas and minerals located two miles beneath our property?They are not mentioned on the deeds .

Martin Saffer
Jul 27, 2011
9:26 am
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The depth of the minerals is not the question; it is the title to them which can only be determined by an exhaustive title examination.

RML
Jul 27, 2011
10:08 am
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Freeholder:
Great idea to follow Alaska's example. If our elected 'representatives' in Charleston actually gave a hoot about the people they wouldn't tax us at more than ten times the rate they tax billionaire gas companies. But they are elected with gas company money. It will take a popular uprising to get them to serve the public interest.

Norman,
There is no need for compensation because there is no need for a permanent ban on deep drilling. The goal is to delay drilling until the State comes to its senses and imposes safe-drilling requirements. Gas companies know how to drill without risking water supplies, but they won’t do it unless we, the people, demand it.

The longer folks conserve a natural resource the more valuable it becomes. Consider the price of a barrel of oil. Adjusted for inflation, a barrel in 1970 brought less than $20. Had it been left in the ground, that same oil today would be worth more than $100 -- a five-fold increase in real dollars.

Unlike oil, which is increasingly scarce, new wells are flooding the market with natural gas. Oversupply means lower, perhaps far lower, prices in the near future. At this point in time, the wiser course might be to hold mineral rights until demand catches up with supply and prices are, once again, on the rise.

I’m reminded of the story of the country hawk and the city hawk. The country hawk was a patient hunter. Long hours he soared waiting for the chance to pounce on a mouse or a squirrel. Meanwhile, the city hawk took advantage of traffic. He saw some fresh roadkill, flew down to grab a quick snack... and was hit by a truck.

Selling gas rights now would be easy, but it risks selling into a market where prices -- and income -- may take a painful hit in the next few years. Patience can pay big rewards. -- Rich

normanalderman
Jul 27, 2011
2:07 pm
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When the county developed the Farmland Protection Board, they established a precedent that the county would be willing to pay for certain "rights". Those rights were delineated carefully and lawfully. How shall we (or the county) mandate that certain rights are not to be purchased but merely terminated by government action? I contend that mineral rights are a commodity that can and should be purchased, traded, or sold. Mineral rights are a tangible asset to any piece of land. No one has a right to detract from the full and complete exploitation of the assets of a piece of land.

I am merely following the lawful example set forth by the CC. They are the ones who have set themselves (Farmland Protection Board) as a purchaser of property rights. The rubber has hit the road. I myself am willing to following their example to its logical and legal conclusion. The right to mine (drill on) my property on Beaver Creek is just important to me as someone who might own minerals on Briary Knob. I am watching carefully the discussion regarding the "temporary" nature of the moratorium proposal. Unfortunately, I have immediate needs. The county has a source of revenue to purchase my assets.

There is going to be major consternation when those people who have sold their property rights to the Farmland Protection Board wake up and realize their by-gone rights may have been worth a thousand times more that they got from the county. There is coming a "GREAT AWAKENING" shortly.

Martin Saffer
Jul 27, 2011
4:00 pm
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Norman, the thing you do not grasp here is that adjoining property owners and the community have a right to be free from activities which harm them and ruin their water. If drilling by hydro-fracture is of harm to someone else, why should they have to compensate you or anyone else to prevent that harm? Property rights do not extend beyond the boundary of your property and carry with them no extra right to harm others or to damage water reserves. If you could get your gas without harming others and ruining water for others then drill away! Your remark that "No one has a right to detract from the full and complete exploitation of the assets of a piece of land" is overly broad and not supported in the law to my understanding to the reasonable extent that it is subject to "no harm to others". This is the common law of nuisance.

freeholder
Jul 28, 2011
12:52 pm
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Ownership of gas deposits a mile underground cannot be determined ;that is why the Alaska action is wise and fair.,why it should be adopted in Pocahontas County.In this topic , though, I am aware that past is prologue:greed and out of state money will win in WV again as in the mountain top mining . A slight segue here: one of those making a movie about mountain top removal has said that the state is a banan republic.I suppose he means a coal and gas republic.
But to change prologue , we must act now by banning destructive gas drilling until we can prod the state or federal government to enact and enforce safety rules. We do not know how much of this drilling has already taken place, how many aquifers have been contaminated as we tarry.I would like to see some spokesperson or commissioner contact National Forest authorities and Senator Rockefeller, SnowShoe et al for help in keeping water supply clean. Would any of these want dangerous water in Pocahontas County?

Martin Saffer
Jul 28, 2011
1:32 pm
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In response to a disastrous experiment of discharging fracking water in the national forest to see what would happen ( and it did), the Commission wrote the following letter:

Dear Mr. Thompson:

After reading "Fracking Fluids Poison a National Forest" published July 6, 2011 by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility ( www.peers.org ), the Pocahontas County Commission has become concerned about the land application of hydrofracturing fluids at Fernow Experimental Forest of the Monongahela National Forest.

Given that the Monongahela constitutes such a large portion of Pocahontas County, we are alarmed about a policy allowing the application of dangerous substances having undisclosed composition upon public lands. Quite simply, such a practice is in direct contradiction to the intention of the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act of 1976.

We understand that the nature of Fernow is as an experimental forest area. Given the results of the application of fracking fluids in 2008, it is clear that an endorsed or facilitated approach to further application of fracking fluids in the Monongahela is an unacceptable health risk to plant and animal species, to the citizens of Pocahontas County who live by the fresh water provided by the Monongahela, and to tourists and visitors of our County seeking a clean and pristine environmental experience.

In light of the detrimental results of fracking fluid at Fernow, what is the Forest Service going to do with this information which has confirmed the danger of this industrial waste material? Will the Forest Service allow further land application of fracking fluid on Forest land? Does the Forest Service plan to permit horizontal drilling and related drilling practices within the Monongahela? What will the Forest Service do about areas of land where gas and oil is still owned by private individuals?

Thank you, and we look forward to hearing from you regarding these questions at your earliest opportunity.

Sincerely,

David M. Fleming

cc:
Manchin, Rockefeller, Rahall

RML
Jul 28, 2011
3:02 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Excellent CC letter signed by Commissioner Fleming. Sincere thanks to all involved. Please keep after them and advise us of any progress.

The example of Alaska is enlightening. Here’s some interesting data:

The median family income in Pocahontas County is $30,757 per year. Of that amount, the State takes about ten percent for income, sales and property taxes.

According to a recent WVU study, gas companies make several billion dollars a year from our gas. Of that amount, the state gets about ten percent in severance fees and other taxes.

In other words, a family struggling to keep food on the table and patch holes in the roof pays state taxes at the same rate as big gas companies with incomes in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Doesn't this seem a bit unfair?

In Alaska, the ‘severance’ tax on oil and gas is 25%. In West Virginia, it is 5%. In Alaska, 77% of their state budget is paid for by the oil and gas industry. In West Virginia, less than 8% of the budget is covered by oil, gas and coal severance taxes.

If West Virginia had the same severance tax as Alaska, a family with a $30,000 income would be getting money from the State, not paying money to the State.

There are two reasons why we are worse off than Alaskans. First, State politicians depend on money from the coal and gas industries. It would take a People’s March on Charleston to change their loyalties. Second, West Virginians don’t care enough to demand fair treatment from their government.

Unlike Alaskans, we West Virginians don’t mind paying unfairly high taxes so that huge corporations can rake in absurdly high profits. How curious...
-- Rich

Martin Saffer
Jul 29, 2011
5:32 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

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Drilling for gas in the Marcellus Shale often has been portrayed as a conflict between jobs and the environment. It's not. Rather, it is a conflict between short-term and long-term prosperity.

The natural gas extraction industry has touted the many benefits of natural gas: As a clean-burning fuel, it is a valuable natural resource, and drilling for it will increase our energy independence while creating jobs and stimulating the local economy. But these arguments still apply no matter when the gas is extracted. The gas has been under our feet for millions of years and will still be there if we wait, only becoming more valuable as time goes on.

For a cash-strapped landowner who is having trouble keeping his family fed, it may be tempting to tap that pot of gold right now. Rushing into drilling can be even more tempting for a large corporation that is trying to meet quarterly earnings projections. Profits are realized this quarter, the cost of remediation for any spills will be paid several quarters later, and the fines, if any, won't have to be paid until years or even decades later. (Twenty years after the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill, many of the court-ordered fines remained unpaid.)

Current hydraulic fracturing technology requires millions of gallons of water per well, with no viable way to decontaminate the backflow. Ground- and surface-water pollution are inevitable risks. But other fracking techniques are being explored, including the use of liquid nitrogen, propane, microwaves and so on. As various techniques are examined and developed, safer and more efficient recovery systems (that reclaim a higher percentage of the trapped gas) will come online.

Even if the concerns about water can be addressed, the industrialization of the landscape is still a problem, with wells located every 40 to 80 acres and clear-cut utility corridors criss-crossing the landscape. Here again, waiting makes sense.

The length of the horizontal fracking bores has increased significantly in the last few years. Every doubling in horizontal bore length means that only a quarter as many wellheads would be required, and only a quarter as many pipelines connecting those wellheads.

The width of the clear-cut swaths over the criss-crossing pipelines is apparently necessary not so much for the longevity of the pipeline, but rather to monitor the functioning of the pipeline. As remote-sensing technologies improve, the clear-cuts can be narrowed, and perhaps even eliminated.

In short, the amount of fossil fuel is finite, and the value of clean-burning, locally sourced natural gas can only increase with time. Retrieval solutions out of reach today may become cost effective tomorrow.

Although the gas companies and a few landowners are anxious to begin drilling now, local municipalities would be wise to ban fracking instead. The gas can be extracted later, if and when a safer, more efficient and less-intrusive methodology has been developed

Jeffrey Hall
Jul 29, 2011
3:54 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

July 29, 2011
Industry group slams New Martinsville's gas-drilling ban
By The Associated Press
NEW MARTINSVILLE, W.Va. -- A natural gas industry group says New Martinsville's new ban on drilling within city limits is ill-conceived, and workers may start taking their business elsewhere.

"We have to react,'' said Michael McCown, president of the West Virginia Independent Oil & Gas Association. "We do not want to do commerce in communities that do not want our business.''

Mayor Lucille Blum told The Intelligencer that City Council wants to protect its residents' drinking water, which comes from wells.

"We are not doing anything against the gas companies,'' she said. "We are only concerned with protecting our water supply.''

"We appreciate all of these gas companies being here,'' Blum added. "We have no animosity toward them and are glad they are here.''

New Martinsville is at least the fourth West Virginia city to adopt a municipal drilling ban.

Passed unanimously earlier this month, its ordinance forbids "exploration, extraction, production, development, mining, leasing and/or drilling'' within city limits. Whether on private or public property, it says, the machinery used for oil and gas production "is strictly prohibited and shall constitute a public nuisance.''

The ordinance further declares drilling "detrimental to the health, safety and general welfare of the public.''

Most of West Virginia sits atop the vast, mile-deep Marcellus Shale gas reserves, and the drilling industry is in high gear throughout northern West Virginia.

Reaching the reserves requires deep, horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies that the industry insists are safe. Many environmental groups and residents, however, are concerned about water pollution, road destruction and other quality of life issues.

Chesapeake Energy, which has a large presence in the region, hopes New Martinsville will reconsider.

Chesapeake believes existing regulations, its own best management practices and emergency rules requested by Senate President Earl Ray Tomblin, acting as governor, "are able to provide the city with a level of comfort to address any environmental concerns they may have,'' said spokeswoman Stacey Brodak.

Wellsburg banned drilling within a mile of its borders, but City Council has since moved to repeal the ordinance. The cities of Lewisburg and Morgantown, meanwhile, are standing by similar ordinances.

Morgantown, however, is being sued by the driller it targeted. Northeast Natural Energy of Charleston is sinking wells along the Monongahela River, less than a mile from a drinking water intake. City leaders said they had no choice but to protect their water supply in the absence of strong state regulations.

A hearing on Northeast's request for a preliminary injunction preventing the city from enforcing its ordinance is set for Aug. 17 before Monongalia Circuit Judge Susan Tucker.

[end of article]

I guess Pocahontas can wait to see how Judge Tucker rules. Of course, the way the legal system works, Pocahontas will have fracked wells and ruined water up and "running" before the legal system sorts this out. Ban fracking now. If the Commission believes the State will enact meaningful protections, then they should seriously consider the current "acting" governor's refusal to disclose correspondance between his office and the natural gas companies as an indication of the safeguards coming from Charleston. The governor's "emergency rules" were weakened after this non-disclosed correspondance.

normanalderman
Jul 29, 2011
5:35 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Marty, people are tapping that pot of gold. Ralph Beckwith got over $300,000 for his gas plus a royalty. Ralph loves the earth; he makes a living from it. I trust his business sense. People all over the county are tapping the pot of gold. Another farmer sold for $72,000; he's not a rich man except in land.

We in Pocahontas County have been poor long enough. We are sitting on gold. It is time to cash in our assets.

If you want to put a roadblock on our road to prosperity, pay us for our assets.

Jeffrey Hall
Jul 31, 2011
7:43 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

My family owns 282 acres of surface and oil and gas rights. Three years ago, we were approached at an offer of $100 per acre up front royalty plus a 12.5% royalty on gas extracted. Many offers have occurred since then. In early June, 2011, the offer now stands at $1,000.00 per acre plus 18% royalty. Many in the family need this "pot of gold." However, we also live on this land and depend upon well water. We can "tap" that pot of gold, but we realize we'd likely be moving elsewhere after drilling commenced given the extreme risks to our water. It's not a risk we desire to undertake. So, go ahead and tap that pot of gold, but be prepared to move elsewhere. And to those who cash in, be prepared to be sued right along with the gas company when you ruin your neighbor's water supply. Any regulation short of an outright ban on fracking should include landowner liablity right along with the gas company liability. After all, that pot of gold should have some strings attached to it.

Martin Saffer
Jul 31, 2011
4:58 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Even assuming a law suit could prove and recoup damages for ruined water, still you can't drink money or wash in it or prepare your food or wash clothes in it; so you too would have to move. If the water goes..... the entire community will go.
I do not think that sort of outcome is at all acceptable!

Jeffrey Hall
Jul 31, 2011
5:33 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Regarding your last post, that is exactly why I support a total ban on fracking now before it's too late. Lawsuits over ruined water are worthless, but the take the money and run crowd should still be held accountable by adding in landowner liability IF you do not impose an outright ban.

RML
Aug 1, 2011
3:31 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

The gas industry already moved to void lawsuits based on future groundwater contamination. The latest draft of State’s Marcellus shale legislation puts a six-month limit on surface owners rights. Six months.

If the legislation becomes law, surface owners will have no right to sue for long-term damage caused by deep wells. Six months and one day after gas operations cease, gas company responsibility will end. Even if a well that has sustained generations of family members begins to leak explosive gas, gush salt water or ooze pure fracking fluid, the land owner will have no right to sue. None whatsoever.

Nobody has any idea how long it will take fluids, brine and other contaminants to migrate up the holes they are drilling to foul the water we are drinking. Especially in this County where the mountains are cross-hatched with cracks and fissures. It could take years. It could take decades. But it cross-contamination will happen unless the industry is forced to use the best available control technology

The gas industry brags that its wells could last “up to 100 years.” Even if that’s true, then what? Do we want our grandchildren or great grandchildren to be the last Mountaineers to taste pure, unadulterated water?

If Marcellus drilling is as “safe” as the industry claims, why do they so desperately want the legislature to put a six-month limit on their liability? Is that, in fact, how long they expect their well linings to last? -- Rich

Joe Ferretti
Aug 1, 2011
3:50 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Just imagine the possibilities. Beckwith cashed in already? Wait for Snowshoe next. The fact that the state is being gouged by these opportunists with their promises of riches will once again prove that we are a State of rubes. There is a reason that the poorest counties in this State, those with the worst infractructure, health, job losses, etc. were the very counties with the greatest coal reserves. It's called corporate rape and our elected officials are nothing but enablers.

RML
Aug 1, 2011
4:46 pm
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Unfortunately, Joe may be right. The people of West Virginia "have been down so long it looks like up."

Marcellus revenue will make a few rich folks a lot richer. A few others will get enough cash to move out. They will take their money with them, of course. Who'd want to live here when most of our attractions -- wilderness, quiet, wildlife, clean water and incomparable views -- are gone? When our mountains are pockmarked with drilling pads and cut across by pipelines? When our springs and streams run salty or not at all? When drilling rigs transform night into day and silence into annoyance?

If the majority of people in this County wanted to make money long term, they'd keep the place the way it is. In a decade or so, folks from other areas who made a little money off the shale will be looking for a place like what we have right here, right now. A place even better than they themselves had before they fracked it up. And their spending will help build our future.
--Rich

Martin Saffer
Aug 2, 2011
4:16 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

So very true. When you make your millions, of course, then you can move to a place just like this WAS if there is still any place left like it was.

Higher Ground
Aug 2, 2011
9:41 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

Time - middle 1600s.

Place - Near the Atlantic coast in what is present day Rhode Island.

Two native Americans meet on the trail:

Hatchet Man: The English and the Dutch are all up and down the coast. They’re giving away iron skillets and knives if we give them some of our land. I’m going to get my skillet now. My wife wants it. When momma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.

Chief Safer Way: I don’t think we should trade anything with them. They’re only out to take us. Look at those people that let the Dutch have the island where the Hudson goes into the sea. They got $24, and everybody thought it was a hell of a price. I’m not so sure.

Hatchet Man: Look, some of these English are giving away whiskey for some useless woods. Warms you up on a cold night. What’s the land worth anyway. There’s plenty of land. No way they can take it all.

Chief Safer Way: You’re right there. There’s a lot of land. But even a few of these English change things. I like the old ways. I’m afraid its going to change. I think the elders should meet and make it so nobody sells to the English or the Dutch. Stop it before it gets started.

Hatchet Man: You can’t stop progress. We need the knives and I like the whiskey. If you elders stop us from trading with the English we won’t get these things. I want mine. I have immediate needs. I think that if you stop us from taking this golden egg you should supply us with what we lost. Are you elders gonna supply everybody with what they miss out on? You got any whiskey? Fact is, I’d like a swig right now. By the way, a bunch of us have got together on this. The English only want to give twenty knives, ten axes, and five jugs of whiskey for the land between the rivers. We’re not stupid. We’re holding out for blankets as well. Strength in numbers.

Chief Safer Way: You know we don’t have all that stuff to give you so you won’t sell the land to the English. Where would we get it? We’re only trying to keep things like they are. You know, things could get worse. And I don’t know about the English blankets. The tribe over the mountain took the blankets and a lot of them got sick and died. I think those blankets may bring a curse.

Hatchet Man: Well I’m cashin’ in. Big Moon’s wife is wearing the beads he got for that mountain he lives on. He hasn’t even had to move yet and it’s been two full moons. You can’t eat the trees. You like to hug trees, Safer? This thing with the English coming? It’s the best thing ever happened to us. We’ll all be rich. This is a blessing. Best thing ever happened to us.

Martin Saffer
Aug 3, 2011
5:16 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

The Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund
Pennsylvania Community Rights Network
P.O. Box 360, Mercersburg, PA 17236
www.celdf.org

“Let the People Decide!”
Pittsburgh City Council Votes to place Community Bill of Rights and Ban on Gas Extraction on the Ballot in November

“The Solicitor even goes so far as to say that property owner rights to enjoy their property would fall on the side of drilling rather than banning drilling, and that they might sue. The fear of such suits should not deter us from letting the citizens of Pittsburgh vote on this legislation. The fear of death or degrading of our life, health, and property is much more important. This one is for the children. It’s their future, and we have to get it right.” --- Pittsburgh City Council President Darlene Harris

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August 1, 2011
CONTACT: Ben Price, (717) 254-3233
benprice@celdf.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

(Tuesday, August 2, 2011) On Monday, August 1st, Pittsburgh City Council, by a vote of 6-3, approved the placing of a referendum question on the November ballot that will allow City residents to amend the Pittsburgh Home Rule Charter. The proposed amendment includes a Community Bill of Rights, and a ban on extraction of “natural” gas within the City to protect those rights. Council members voting in favor of the measure were Burgess, Harris, Kraus, Peduto, Rudiak and Shields. Voting against the measure were Dowd, Kail-Smith and Lavelle.

Councilman Burgess, who had abstained from voting the measure out of Committee on July 27th, indicated that no matter what reservations he may have about the amendment, voting his conscience and principles meant that Council should leave it to the People to decide. His vote created a veto-proof majority for the measure, which is significant since the mayor has indicated he may chose to use his veto power to strike the ballot question. However, the Mayor has ten days in which to sign, veto, or let slide any legislation. If he waits the full ten days, it will be past the date when the Division of Elections must have the referendum to put it on the ballot. Council President Darlene Harris has requested in a letter to him that the Mayor act early. There is no guarantee that he will do so. If he decides not to act, the measure might not appear on this coming election’s ballot.

Pittsburgh is a “home rule” city. This means it creates its own laws on any topic not exclusively regulated by the state or federal government. The set of local laws that govern the City are collectively referred to as the City’s Charter. The Charter may be amended either by action of the elected government officials or through a citizen petition. This ballot question will be presented to City voters on November 8th as the result of the adoption of the ordinance by City Council. The amendment proposes an addition to the Home Rule Charter establishing a Community Bill of Rights, which asserts the right of residents of the City to local self-government, to water, and the right of residents to establish energy policies for future sustainability. It establishes rights for natural communities and ecosystems, and empowers community members with legal standing to enforce those rights.

To secure the Community Bill of Rights, corporations would be prohibited from extracting natural gas within the City, with the exception of gas wells already established and in operation at the time of adoption of this amendment. In addition, corporations engaged in the extraction of natural gas, or intending to do so in the City, would no longer be legally viewed as “persons” and could not avail themselves of protection of the state or federal constitutions in a way that would nullify the rights of human and natural communities recognized in those constitutions and by this Charter amendment.

The Council’s vote in favor of presenting the Charter Amendment is particularly significant, since prior to the vote Council members received a memo from the city’s Law Department titled “Re: Council Bill No. 2011-1939 Ordinance to place before voters referendum question whether to amend Home Rule Charter of the City of Pittsburgh,” which responded to this question from Council:

“Does the legislation conflict with Federal, State and/or Local law?”

Solicitor Daniel Regan responded in part:
“The Law department believes the proposed ordinance may violate 53 Pa.C.S.A. §2962(f) (Home Rule Charter and Option Plans Law) due to the City being preempted from placing duties, responsibilities and requirements on businesses beyond what has been placed on them by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
“The Law Department believes the proposed ordinance is preempted by the Pennsylvania Oil and Gas Act (58 Pa.C.S. §601.101 et. seq). Said belief is supported by the PA Supreme Court case law: Huntley & Huntley, Inc. v. Borough of Oakmont, 964 A.2d 855 (Pa. 2009) and Range Resources v. Salem Township, 964 A.2d 869 (Pa. 2009).

The Law Department has also identified various Constitutional issues which it has not had adequate time to fully analyze at this time. Potential areas of concern relate to the Commerce Clause, Contracts Clause, Substantive & Procedural Due Process and takings of property without adequate compensation.”
Solicitor Regan concluded that “In light of the above, it is the recommendation of the Law Department that no further action be taken on the legislation until we are able to complete our analysis”.

Prior to comments from Council regarding the pending vote, Council President Darlene Harris addressed the Council, saying, “On the Marcellus Shale, bill 1939, we all received a memorandum this morning from the law department and the solicitor’s opinion concerning that bill. With all due respect, he brings in state packaging laws that say that cities can’t enact laws about safety and health; he tries to apply them to natural resources.”
She went on to say that [Solicitor Regan] “says that the Oil & Gas Act regulates gas extraction, so anything it says would supersede any law passed by a municipality. The state regulates it, so the cities have no opinion. But the state also regulates liquor sales, and still Bellevue chooses not to have liquor sales. They voted that on a referendum last election.”

Mrs. Harris continued: “Mr. Regan quotes the Oil & Gas Act as being very permissive, in that drilling can happen wherever the companies wish, as long as they get the permits, and comply with zoning laws. In my own opinion,” she continued, “it’s that if the City can regulate other quality-of-life issues, such as noise and light and billboards, and traffic safety and safe sidewalks and homes, then the citizens should have some say over our health and welfare in this matter.”

“The Solicitor “she reminded the Council, “states that the City might be subject to a Constitutional claim. He feels that the citizens or corporations will sue for a violation of their rights. The Solicitor brings in potential violations of Due Process under Section 1983 of the Federal Code. He says that those who hold mineral rights are being denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law. But the reverse argument is that if we permit drilling, then all of the neighbors of that person are being denied life, liberty, or property. The reverse argument is much stronger.”

Mrs. Harris went on to say that “the Solicitor even goes so far as to say that property owner rights to enjoy their property would fall on the side of drilling rather than banning drilling, and that they might sue. The fear of such suits should not deter us from letting the citizens of Pittsburgh vote on this legislation. The fear of death or degrading of our life, health, and property is much more important. This one is for the children. It’s their future, and we have to get it right.”

Councilman Doug Shields, who introduced the measure on July 27th, commented that adding the ordinance language as part of the Charter would strengthen the ordinance and make it harder to overturn, because in the eyes of the court, the Home Rule Charter is the City’s constitution. Just as a constitutional amendment is much stronger than a statute passed by Congress, this proposed amendment will strengthen the voice of the people by putting it directly into the Charter.

He also commented that the proposed amendment could not be repealed by a future City Council. Any future attempt to remove the ban would have to be approved by the voters of the City of Pittsburgh.
Unlike the ordinance, the Charter Amendment wouldn’t rest solely on City Council’s preferences and choices, and the Council could treat the charter amendment as the mandate of the people of the City of Pittsburgh, thus making it less politically sensitive to administer.

When asked why he thought it wise to bring the matter to the voters, Councilman answered that “On matters of such importance how can you not go to the people for their advice and consent? That s something the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania forgot to do. I encourage concerned people to call Mayor Luke Ravenstahl (412 255 2626) and let him know you'd like to cast a vote on the subject. When corporate special interests outweigh people’s rights, well, then where do we go from here? Throughout history, democracy has served us well. I hope we continue to embrace that concept and let people govern themselves."

The question of whether or not the Charter Amendment becomes part of the City’s local constitution is now up to the people of Pittsburgh. On November 8th, they will be asked to vote YES or NO to this question:

"Should the Pittsburgh Home Rule Charter be amended to add Section 104 “The City of Pittsburgh Bill of Rights”, which enumerates the right to water, the rights of natural communities, the right to a sustainable energy future, and the right to self-government, and which secures those rights by banning corporate gas extraction within the City and subordinating corporate rights to the rights of Pittsburgh residents?”

A majority vote in the affirmative will mean that Pittsburgh makes history by taking a stand for Community Rights over corporate privilege, once again.

normanalderman
Aug 3, 2011
6:53 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

I enjoyed your "Indian story." The previous commentary regarding "home rule" is interesting. I didn't know that counties had "home rule". This opens up tremendous possibilities for "local legislation." Could we apply this to gay marriage?

freeholder
Aug 3, 2011
9:48 am
Re: The Basis For Action by The Commission on Marcellus Shale Fracking and Water Protection

The concept,the meaning and purpose of government,local, state, federal,is unclear in Pokey:ie, who controls drilling, mining in the national forest where there is no representation at all in county governent? Then there is the strange entity of municipal corporations which have an officially admitted uselessness except for "leash laws" and street lights in a tiny area of the county. With the fascinating case of unincorporation for Durbin approaching,cc would do well to consider a change in county government.It is odd that they can decide an incorporation-unincorporation issue ,but have no authority or oversight in fiscal matters, however suspicious ,or doubtful or unfair.In sum, where is the authority to stop fracking once it starts when miniscule Durbin cannot be controlled?

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