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TABLA RASA

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Martin Saffer
May 24, 2011
2:57 pm
TABLA RASA

Now I/d like to hear what is on your mind.

Higher Ground
May 24, 2011
4:50 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

For some reason I've drawn a blank.

RML
May 24, 2011
6:54 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

Who pulled the plug?

freeholder
May 24, 2011
8:28 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

Raised table?I can,t find my Latin Book which I used in the old GreenBank High,
On my mind:jobs for Pocahontas Co in printing literature and mailing, I get literature in the mail 40 or 50 times a year in relation to magazine subscriptions which is printed in Georgia, Florda. Why can,t Pocahontas get some of that work?Next: Better,faster access to the county ,perhaps by a short tunnel under Cheat. Supposedly, at a point on the road parallel with Arson Acres in Durbin,there are mining pipes or structures visible from Fort Cheat Summit in Randolph Co.. a distance of half a mile or less , Build a tunnel there for cars and bikes;natural gas for the county drilled the old fashioned way, a writers and artists colony in Durbin, A swimmable and fishable GreenBrier river,A board of Supervisors type of government for the county with representatives from the National Forest,voting or non voting.The forest occupies 50 per cent of the county Cooperation and use of SnowShoe,cell phones for Durbin(they can be obtained through the Manager at Astronomy Center ) A new image of the county ,one which the new university helps along. It would also be enhanced by doing away with the Road Kill thing.Have the Greenbrier and SnowShoe and Tamarack make up a sophisticated list of foods, Have you ever tasted their key lime pie? to finish my phantasy , tax dog owners all over the county and charge a kennel fee for more than 2 dogs.

Martin Saffer
May 25, 2011
5:18 am
Re: TABLA RASA

Actually it is Tabula Rasa or erased slate

Higher Ground
May 25, 2011
8:58 am
Re: TABLA RASA

I expect some have googled “tabula rasa” since Mr. Saffer brought up the topic. I know I did, just to make sure that he misspelled it. But the fact that he misspelled it makes it clear that he didn’t need to look it up to use the phrase correctly.

Somewhere along the line, I was taught that “tabula rasa” means blank slate. The context was that infants are born tabula rasa. Their minds are a blank slate upon which anything can be writ. The idea was that nurture trumps nature. In fact, the concept went further. The theory was that there is no trait born into individuals; that all traits are acquired. It was a very liberal concept.

Many of us who have raised children have some doubt about the theory. We have noticed that our children have certain characteristics from the outset.

The concept of tabula rasa still prevails in the education field. The idea that all children can learn - indeed the famous Lake Wobegon effect (all children are above average) - that under lies “no child left behind” has tabula rasa at its root.

RML
May 25, 2011
9:41 am
Re: TABLA RASA

Tabula Rasa implies a totally new perspective free from the influence of previous experience or prejudice. Not a bad idea now and then.

With the exception of dropping the Road-Kill Cook-Off, Freeholder has excellent ideas. Unfortunately, this County lacks any mechanism for turning good ideas into action.

The County Commission seems powerless to act on a wide range of issues. They each have good ideas but no way to make those ideas a reality.

Recall, if you will, recent debates on any major issue: Marcellus shale, industrial wind development, dog ordinance, planning or zoning, a county manager, economic development or illegal use of drugs. These are all extremely important to our future. Many citizens have been involved in these discussions.
But nothing has been done. No action has been taken.

Only on the SnowShoe sewer system has there been solid, consistent and effective County leadership.

Why a half dozen failures and only one success?

Because there is no mechanism in this County for developing a consensus on any issue. There is no place or forum where people who are concerned about an issue can meet, disagree, discuss and develop alternatives for the Commission to consider. No group that is tasked to work toward a consensus to act.
Many local governments set up ‘Citizens’ Advisory Boards’ for that purpose. Advisory boards are made up of volunteers from the County who are interested enough in an issue to attend meetings. Those meetings are open to every County resident.

The goal of an informal advisory board is to work toward consensus and develop a recommendation, or set of recommendations, which represent the full range of views on the issue. This is a democracy. Anyone who cares enough to participate in these meetings will have a voice in the outcome. Anyone who refuses to participate gives up their right to criticize the result. Advisory board recommendations are presented to the County Commission for official consideration and action.

A lovely word -- Action.

The way things are now, the County Commission cannot act because it never seems to have adequate support on any issue. There always seems to be a loud, negative voice to derail progress. And that voice drowns out a chorus of concerned citizens who want action.

This County has many talented individuals who could be called on to make Citizens’ Advisory Boards work. Here is one suggestion that has no downside. What can the County Commission lose? If advisory boards succeed, the Commission can get off the dime on a number of critical issues. If they fail, we are no worse off than we are now.

As a test case, at its next meeting the County Commission can call for citizens to volunteer to be part of an Industrial Wind Citizens' Advisory Board. Commissioners can task that Advisory Board with meeting citizens in different parts of the county and developing a recommendation which the County Commission can turn into action.

Action by the County Commission. Effective action. Doesn’t that sound wonderful?

-- Rich

Martin Saffer
May 25, 2011
11:35 am
Re: TABLA RASA

The original thought I had was to simply press a refresh button on our ideas and posts. But I/m reminded by this last entry that the County and our community has certain traits and certain opportunities for nurture as well which combine to determine our destiny as it were. The environmental traits we have, good water, prime soils, hard wood forests, can be sustaining generations ahead. The nurture is education and innovation; these can be consistent with the our traits. I don't think a person can succeed if they try to change their inherited traits. I prefer to go with what you are and change what you can. Don't try to be taller try being smarter or work harder. Let's be better farmers, more engaging as a tourist destination, innovative uses of our fledgling internet for education and job expansion.

Martin Saffer
May 25, 2011
11:54 am
Re: TABLA RASA

Let me respond to:
"Recall, if you will, recent debates on any major issue: Marcellus shale, industrial wind development, dog ordinance, planning or zoning, a county manager, economic development or illegal use of drugs. These are all extremely important to our future. Many citizens have been involved in these discussions.
But nothing has been done. No action has been taken."

  1. The Commission has engaged the issue of Marcellus Shale and has held meetings to educate itself and the public on this issue and is working on ways to formally address the matter.
  2. The wind issue occurred in Virginia. The Commission asked the Governor to re-establish the boundary commission.
  3. The Commission did pass a dog ordinance and has established an animal shelter.
  4. The Commission felt after public debate and dialogue that the county was not willing to embrace planning and zoning. The Commission adopted the idea that it is better to do than to plan to do....thus the One Room University.
  5. Jay Miller has served a year and one half as the un-paid full time County Coordinator and has devoted countless hours to making the One Room University a reality.
  6. The Commission leased the Hanover Building for economic development. The Commission urges Frontier to be bold in internet investment as an economic engine. The Commission leased the original property in Green Bank to Jacob Meck and is trying to reconcile community issues about further expansion there.
  7. The Commission enacted a drug policy at the Court House to take a position of leadership on this critical problem. The Commission started the Community Corrections program. The Commission pays an enormous bill for crime related problems and costs associated with jail.

Action has been taken on all these concerns. The problem is it's a long long time to get readable results.

RML
May 25, 2011
1:51 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

Martin, you make good points. I did overstate my case. There has been some progress on some issues. And Jay Miller has accomplished a lot.

But let's go back to my original list:

Marcellus Shale: Other communities have acted. Not this County.

Industrial Wind: Nothing has been done to protect the County's interests, and private individuals, from the out-of-control spread of industrial wind turbines. The County even refused to cooperate with efforts to force developers to obey the law. Other communities have acted. Not this County.

Dogs: Some progress was made. Good job.

Planning and Zoning: Is it wise to abandon efforts to protect property owners because of a few vocal opponents? Critics of zoning have the right to express their views. But the County Commission has a duty to act in the interests of all our citizens. Most other communities have figured out how to plan for their future. Not this County.

Drugs: As you said, "the Commission pays an enormous bill for crime related problems." Perhaps it's time to consider alternative approaches. That was certainly wise with regard to the SnowShoe sewer plans.

You are right. There has been progress on some issues. But I disagree with your assessment that “action has been taken on all of these concerns.” On the three issues which will determine the future condition of this County -- Marcellus Shale, Industrial Wind and Planning -- we don’t seem to be making much, if any, headway.

Yes, “it’s a long, long time to get readable results.” And there isn’t enough credit where credit is due. Surely progress need not be so slow. What can individuals, who are deeply concerned about these issues, do to help? You’re only a voice crying in the wilderness until you invite others to join the chorus...

-- Rich

David Litsey
May 25, 2011
4:44 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

In terms of accomplishments: Dont forget the Durbin, Frank, Bartow water project that is the result of the work of cooperative efforts of Rita, David, and Martin, WD Smith of Region 4, Mark Smith, Amon Tracy, Tom Shipley, Ricky and Cindy Barkley, and former chairman Mr. Rexrode.

Preliminary information is that we are going to have the ability to deliver a better quality product, much more consistently especially during droughts, with significantly less electrical and chemical consumption.

That is the result of citizen concerns, recognized and dealt with by the community and its leadership to achieve a tangible improvement in the quality of life.

I hope this statement doesn't jinx our good fortune so far. Lets hope we continue to find and deal successfully with those pesky leaks that have been consuming so much good efforts in the past.

normanalderman
May 25, 2011
9:52 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

Mr. Price makes an excellent case as to why "zoning" won't do the job to protect us from "fracking". I deeply appreciate that approach. More government regulation will not result in great freedom nor security. I think we can work together on this matter if we can keep "zoning" out of the equation. We have plenty of regulations in place to solve the problem; adding new ones that won't be enforced won't help here either.

RML
May 26, 2011
1:12 pm
Re: TABLA RASA

Norman--
Kindly explain why people think that public "zoning" infringes on their rights but that greedy, unregulated private corporations do not.

Zoning is sets into law what you want to do with your land. And helps assure that somebody doesn't move in next door and destroy your land. That is what zoning is does.

The first step in zoning is to ask individual landowners what they want to do with their land. Do you want a farm or an industrial site? Do you want a forest or a subdivision?

If you won't want your land developed for housing or industry, your real estate taxes go down. If you want to keep that option open, your taxes go up.

It really is that simple.

Developers hide behind the banner of 'liberty' and spend billions (literally billions) to convince people that zoning is bad. Why? Because it limits the ability of a private corporation to poison your water, contaminate your food, destroy your sleep and ruin your view. That's is also why all the "conservative" talk shows oppose zoning. Talk-show hosts are paid a fortune to spout the views of a handful of ultra-rich exploiters like the gas industry. The opinions they express are whatever they are paid to express. They are intellectual prostitutes.

Money talks. When's the last time you listened to a syndicated talk show devoted to the interests of the poor,? The underemployed. The rural farmer or the working stiff? No, of course those interests are never aired by the media because those good people don't have the money to buy the "opinions" of toadies on Rush or Fox.

Most horror stories the media spreads about zoning have nothing to do with zoning. Stories about how people are not allowed to paint their homes the way they want, or plant a garden in their back yard, or let their land grow wildflowers -- those stories are used by the right-wing media shills to discredit zoning. What they fail to mention is that most horror stories came from private homeowner associations that tell homeowners what to do and how to do it. Private corporations that can throw you out of your own home for letting your grass grow too tall.

The only thing -- the only thing -- that protects our private property rights from being trampled by huge economic interests is government regulation. Without it, the U.S. would be like Haiti where anyone with money can do anything they want to whoever they want. As John posted a few days ago, the legal system in this country is no longer a place of justice. It is a place of procedure. Whoever has the most expensive lawyers owns the legal process. Am I wrong?

Do you, Norman, have enough money to win a law suit against a billion-dollar gas company when it pollutes your water supply? Under the state's current regulatory fig leaf, your water will probably be contaminated. When that happens, you may look back and think: "Gosh, maybe if we had a County development plan... maybe if I hadn't been so close-minded on zoning... maybe if I knew that zoning was the only way I could protect my land, my family might be able to drink the water."

Kindly think about it. -- Rich

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