Putting Shale Issues on the Ballot?
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Martin Saffer
Nov 22, 2011
5:27 am
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Putting Shale Issues on the Ballot?
There is an agenda item proposed for our next Commission meeting to put the issues about shale on the ballot. Most of the oil, gas and minerals here are owned by the land owners themselves and were not severed and sold away to gas companies years ago as is the dismal case in Wetzel County where home owners watch as their gardens are bull dozed off and become graveled drilling pads. So decisions about drilling or not or about leasing or about water are already in the hands of voters because voters not gas companies own the gas. It is not "us vs them" but "us vs us". If enough people feel gas is wrong and the consequences too dire, then that "vote" will mean gas drilling will never come. If enough people say "yes" to drilling and the money they will get, then drilling will come. So the matter is already on the ballot of public opinion and on the ballot of each land owner. Second, the cold fact is that a county government will not be successful in court banning drilling and will face bankruptcy in issues of "takings" and litigation costs. My suggestion is that we continue to educate ourselves night and day into the reality of this threat and realize that if it comes elsewhere in WV our county will prosper as a green safe haven where the newly rich can still enjoy quiet mountain views and drink clear clean water. |
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egad
Nov 23, 2011
4:49 pm
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David Litsey
Nov 23, 2011
10:09 pm
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I hope our state legislators have a chance to read this. They are on the ballot. |
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mrl
Dec 5, 2011
5:27 am
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Please elaborate on how the ballot language might read. |
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egad
Dec 5, 2011
7:33 am
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A good question, mrl. If there is a ballot, timing and wording are all important. David, with your assertion that the leases held by many would be extended if there were a moratorium on drilling, what would happen if the county banned drilling? That is different. As I see it, a moratorium is only for a period of time and we have to make the decisons all over again at a specified time. A ban is a cessation of all such activity until (if ) technology changes and the people decide it is safe to drill and urge their leaders to lift the ban. And, what would you say if you knew drilling were starting, oh, January 1? That's a hypothetical. I don't want to start any rumors. What if you noticed seismic testing on your property next week? Look on the maps. There are 17 Marcellus Well Permits out for Beckwith Lumber Co in Webster County: that's a fact, not a hypothetical. I feel like I am living in a war zone, hoping, with horror, that the bombs fall on the regions 'over there' and not over 'here.' Should I pack up my family and move now? Once the barrage starts, I won't be able to get out. I already know of people who are trying to quietly sell and get out. If we guarantee their safety, they can stay. What did people get per acre in this county for leasing? Do you have any clear idea? I know many got snookered. But I don't know for how much. |
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myownquote
Dec 15, 2011
11:42 pm
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It has every 2 years. Its the people we all have put into office on a local, state and federal level. Who allows the gross things that occure from drilling, logging, and every other resource retrieval process. The people you voted in. If you voted for any of the elected officals have sat on any level above county, your to blame for all the messes across our state and nation. All these elected officals who especially in WV die in office because we keep putting them in office, are the ones who said "yea all the health effecting compounds are an ok end-product" Yea thank you. You suckers who denounce the companies who do the drilling/cutting/digging yet vote for the same back biting career politicans who allow them. And you will continue to vote them in and they will continue to sale you and your future for there own $. I blame you all. You want safe resource retrevial, QUIT VOTING FOR THE SAME KIND OF PEOPLE. This is why I ignore this subject. Both sides are as clueless as the sheep sitting on the hillside. Our nation's companies can only do what the government OK. So you see pollution, thank the fools you voted in. And vote them OUT. Now I will leave this site for another few months, until another ignorant person tells me it's the evil corporations who are killing us and forget to include the very government who allow it. |
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egad
Dec 16, 2011
6:47 am
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Hi myownquote, Who left out the government? Have your read the national tickets? Every Republican running supports increased and freewheeling Marcellus Shale Drilling and a number have stated they would remove present 'restrictions that stand in the way of making money." The protections even now are meaningless. Well, there goes half or more of the voting choices. The Democrats are on the fence. Who are you putting up to run? I'll get behind you. If we find someone to run who is anti fracking in Pocahontas, will you come out and campaign for that person? Will you put your money where your mouth is and come off that hillside next to your sheep? The first step in change is seeing the problem. You've done that. I agree. The second step is making a plan. Your plan is to retreat and grumble. The third step is to put the plan into action. Your action plan, as I see it, is to call names, retreat and grumble some more. How effective has that been? So, instead, work with the people who are trying to change the politicians here on a local level. Go to Commission meetings and gripe there so they and others can hear you. Learn the issues so you sound like you know what you are talking about. Make a difference. It is hard work and you don't always get what you want. If, instead, we keep doing what we have always done, as you wisely point out, we will get the same bad results. So, will you support an anti fracking candidate? We can't change the world, but we can do something here in Pocahontas County. Will you support the anti fracking movement? Will you be counted in that battle or just hide and call names, even at those people who stand up in public against those same politicians you criticize and get called names by those same politicians? We have a chance to vote some people out coming up. Who shall we vote in? Where will you stand? How will you help? |
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egad
Dec 19, 2011
7:24 am
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Hydrofracking sure to contaminate water As an environmental engineering technician with NYSDEC Region 5, I managed scores of groundwater remediation projects in the 1990s. I’ve reviewed countless hydrogeologic reports and seen thousands of lab results from contaminated wells. I’m familiar with the fate and transport of contaminants in fractured media, and let me be clear: |
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J Miller
Dec 19, 2011
9:00 am
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Mr. Hetzler's post confirms what seems to me only intuitively obvious: Fracking is a clear and present danger to groundwater in Pocahontas County - and the danger is even greater in areas of the county sitting atop or near karst formations. Water finds its own level and will not be denied in its natural movement through rock. To me, the only solution is to avoid the problem in the first place by banning fracking as a public nuisance - and then fight DEP and the gas industry in the courts. To those who say such an approach amounts to zoning, I say those who leased their property have already zoned themselves industrial without benefit of any public process - and then leave it to the fates as to whether they will get rich and/or enable poisoning of their neighbors' drinking water. It's unethical to leave such an important issue to chance. As for a voters' referendum on fracking, my understanding of WV Code is that such a referendum is allowed only after a local government adopts an ordinance. There is, however, a mechanism for determining public sentiment about important issues - a survey - which would allow for more nuanced interpretation of attitudes than a yes/no choice that causes both sides to rally voters to the polls. Even if a referendum before the fact were possible, the question remains: What would the county commission do with the result, yes or no? Voting on such an issue would prove nothing and while hardening attitudes and enflaming personal feelings on both sides. There are about 6000 voting-age residents in the county and it would not be enormously expensive - possibly less than staging a vote - to conduct a statistically valid survey of public attitudes on fracking. |
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Martin Saffer
Dec 19, 2011
11:22 am
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And how would you word the question?
That I believe is part of the issue: Belief or rationalization that even if dangerous it will somehow be regulated so the danger doesn/t happen.
I think if we were truly at risk and people could smell the danger rather than imagine it, there would be greater solidarity of opinion. |
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no fracking way
Dec 19, 2011
11:58 am
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How easily the question can be turned around:
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Martin Saffer
Dec 19, 2011
12:08 pm
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Bring one expert who can tell us that drilling is going to come here and I/ll listen carefully. Not one geologist I have talked with says it is likely to happen here. Why is there all this tension over a "problem" that is not coming here? |
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egad
Dec 19, 2011
12:50 pm
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The expert you need is a member of industry. Ask industry if they will guarantee they will not come. They will not guarantee that because they will come. None of your geologists guaranteed they would not come either. The industry bought and bought leases here. There is drilling on land just like ours to the west, north, south and east of us. There is drilling on land not as likely to give up gas--look at the map without your rose colored glasses. One man who told us his family was employed by the gas industry and who told us he worked for the gas industry glibly told you what you wanted to hear. He said that other places would be drilled first, not that they would not come here. No-fracking-way has it right. I am joining a class action suit agaist my Commissioner with his head in the karst who is failing to protect me against drilling when he can. Pass a ban; make it more difficult. If it is not coming, then what's the big problem in just making sure. |
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Joe Ferretti
Dec 19, 2011
12:54 pm
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No Fracking Way: County Commission would be immune from such a suit. State policy. Curious, is the Utica Shale bed located beneath Pocahontas County? It apparently is deeper than Marcellus. |
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Martin Saffer
Dec 19, 2011
1:09 pm
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The Utica shale is beneath the Marcellus but virtually worthless in our county according to WVU geologist. The Commission members would be immune but not the County. Remember government can not "take" property without just compensation. Passing a "ban" would simply create enormous litigation and hysterical claims of damages over a problem and "riches" that are not here. Relax and thank God this problem is not real. And let us also trust that many of our citizens are not so foolish to throw out the baby with the bath water. |
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freeholder
Dec 19, 2011
6:35 pm
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Are not commissioners responsible for the protection of property? I have read that it is a basic function of government.Elected officials can be charged with malfeasance,fined ,removed .What do you say about damage claims by those whose land would be damaged by horizontal drilling?What is the distinction in "the county" and" the commissioners" where a lawsuit is concerned? Some person would have to be named as the object of the suit:that would be the commissioner (s). |
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David Litsey
Dec 20, 2011
10:42 am
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J. Miller's post from yesterday deserves some serious consideration. A survey could produce some solid information from which leaders could take guidance and would help focus attention on all sides of the issue. 1st - Construct a web-site that provides space to all sides in the argument to frame their argument as best they can - The authors do not need to be identified. From these arguments constuct a survey - I prefer forced choice Likert style myself, but you can choose. The County Clerk assembles a set of envelopes with the name of every eligible voter in the County. The Board of Education assembles a list of every social studies student in grades 12-8 by teacher. To prevent ballot stuffing - a numbered questionaire with a raised seal is produced for every name. The Envelopes are shuffled, the questionaires are shuffled - under the watchful eye of the Pocahontas County Times to prevent post identification of respondents and ballot stuffing. The Voters are taken to the Post Office for bulk mailing - The students are delivered to the 3 schools. A time is set for return - The Pocahontas Times Keeps everyone informed and reminded as to return deadlines. We analyze the results and discuss it. Seems to me that could could actually be a useful tool in determining public policy as well as making sure that everyone had a oppotunity to give voice to their views and we don't need to wait for November. Just a thought. |
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Joe Ferretti
Dec 20, 2011
11:11 am
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Sure the county can be sued up to the limits of its insurance coverage, which I believe under the Chartis policy is one million. You get counsel and coverage. Individual members are immune. County Commissioners can be removed but it is an arduous process. Judgment calls on referendums and county ordinances will not be enough to remove a CC unless one could prove that votes in these areas were improperly influenced. If your land is damaged by negligent operations in drilling you would typically have recourse against the responsible companies SO LONG AS your legislature does not strip away your right to the courthouse. And believe me when I tell you there are legislators who want to do exactly that in the name of job creation, certainty, predictability in the courts or whatever else Frank Luntz can conjure up in his political surveys. |
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J Miller
Dec 20, 2011
6:26 pm
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I appreciate Mr. Litsey's comments supporting the idea of a survey to determine the range and intensity of feelings of county's residents about fracking. (You'll notice I did not say the county's electorate because not all eligible voters are registered, but every adult should be assumed to have an opinion about fracking.) When I wrote my entry I was thinking The Pocahontas Times would have a news interest in the conduct and results of such a survey; they would have to make a business and editorial decision about whether they want to be both sponsor and messenger of the results. WVMR may have a similar interest but the inherent political nature of such a survey may prevent them from participating. Regardless, for the survey to be considered objective it must be refereed by a third party even if that party helps sponsor the process. A key issue with survey design is how to gauge the likely responses of those who choose, for whatever reason, not to respond or participate. For that reason, and others, it's more accurate to sample the population you want to study rather than attempt a canvas of the entire target population. This may sound counter-intuitive, but it's true. That's why public opinion surveys of the U.S. population try to get about 1000-1200 responses that are balanced across the various demographic slices for which you want to interpret results. For a sample universe of about 6000 adult county residents, a sample of about 600, give or take, would provide statistically significant results within 3-5% - which is about as good as you can get. A mail survey would be the best and least cost starting point, but telephone followup and additional mail requests for responses from the ~600 may be necessary. If the County Commission and/or the PTimes is interested in sponsoring such a survey, I suggest that a market research firm be engaged to design and conduct it. Because language and specific words are very important in determining how respondants answer, if may be necessary to conduct one or more focus groups to make sure that questions are worded in an unbiased, but meaningful, way. (By the way, I like Likert scales for measuring the range of attitudes if for no other reason that Gordon Likert was one of my professors in graduate school.) |
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David Litsey
Dec 21, 2011
11:13 am
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I am impressed. Likert for a prof. Now that is awesome. Regardless of the sampling strategy, all inclusive -designed to get everyone involved and thinking about it as well developing a common language and set of descriptors for discussion -or sampling, it gives us something that we can do now to constructively use the time we have to generate understanding and knowledge rather than reactionary punching and name calling headed towards collision and winner take all, lawsuits and back stabbing with continuous Charleston Political intrigue. I think it is a way to go that could be very constructive. |
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Higher Ground
Dec 22, 2011
9:07 am
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I just read the Pocahontas Times coverage of the County Commission Meeting and Mr. Saffer’s comments. Worrying about drilling is a pursuit “in search of a problem”? The real threat is the stuff the highway department is spreading on the roads, or that dependable bugaboo, the Snowshoe sewage system? It’s not only snow removal and Snowshoe sewage that stands in the way of doing something about drilling. Mr. Saffer formerly announced he can’t squander his political capital on controlling drilling because he wants to save his energies so he can eliminate addiction. After he brings addiction to heal, he will likely tackle wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. Then there’s the not quite cryptic post on here about how Pocahontas County is not a gated community; we can’t keep the world out. There’s simply nothing to be done. We might just as well be resigned to it. Is this the same person who preached nearly daily for months about the evils of drilling, how it is the worst disaster the County ever faced, and the immanent need to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? What’s happened here? Has Mr. Saffer’s mind been invaded by aliens unleashed by Chesapeake Energy? |
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Martin Saffer
Dec 22, 2011
9:42 am
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To Higher Ground: West Virginia's acknowledged expert on oil and gas geology, Dr. Tim Carr, said because of the confluence of geology, economics and locality that drilling here would be unlikely. This opinion has been confirmed by every expert I have talked to. It was Dr. Carr, himself, who suggested to me that the worry here about drilling was "a solution looking for a problem". DEP has told me that activities in Monroe are abandoned and results in Nicholas are marginal. Yes, I did say and do say that IF drilling were to come here in the force I saw in Wetzel County it would be a truly sad and game changing day for our county. But then, I had not talked with geologists and others about the reality of our situation "on the ground and under it". |
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egad
Dec 22, 2011
10:11 am
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Dear HG, I think you have it! Chesapeake gremlins! Thanks for a wonderful laugh this morning. OK, it’s not fair to pick on someone who is worried sick. If it makes him feel better to wear rose colored glasses and ignore the maps, ignore the other geologists such as Paul Rubin, ignore the drilling that is already going on on all sides, then we should let the poor guy be, I suppose. As far as the gated community metaphor goes, it is faulty too. But don’t let that secret out. Levittown is and always was a blue collar, gang ridden, bully ruled community that boasts the John Birch society, white supremacists and made national news for censoring its library. Schools are poor and people do not want to raise their children there. Perhaps they could use Martin to help them see things in a better light. On the other hand, there has been some real problem solving going on here. Litsey and Miller have a good case for professional sampling. It will be a hard sell as a professional company won’t” be from around here” nor “will it have been born here”. It will use statistics and science, both topics that bring about the 1000 yard stare in most or outright rejection in some because if they don’t understand it, it must be wrong. But it is infinitely better than elements in the county taking up trench warfare for months on end with a poorly defined goal couched in terms of ‘prefer’ or ‘wish’ or whatever feeble terms the state allows us to do. We do not want to be divisive; we want to solve the problem, protect our water and live in peace. The latter, after all, is what Martin fervently wishes would happen. |
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Higher Ground
Dec 22, 2011
5:09 pm
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Mr. Saffer says that he will quit “worrying himself sick” about drilling until he hears otherwise. But the industry is unlikely to announce their intentions in advance. The way we’ll hear otherwise is by the racket of the wells being drilled and the noise of hundreds of massive trucks smashing our roads to bits. And by that time it’ll be too late. The only real power the Commission has to control drilling is through the enactment of a well-crafted zoning ordinance. Every other action the Commission might take either exceeds the powers of the Commission or amounts to something that has no enforcement effect. The law provides that any zoning ordinance must preserve (grandfather) existing uses. A zoning ordinance cannot prohibit activities that are in place at the time of the enactment of the ordinance. When a zoning ordinance is passed those activities that are in place at that time are grandfathered, and will not be prohibited by the ordinance. Wells that are in place when the ordinance is passed cannot be affected by the ordinance. It takes time to pass a zoning ordinance. A plan must be drawn up, and meetings must be held to allow the public to comment. It’s not a quick process. If we wait till drilling starts before starting the ordinance process, there will be time to drill many wells before the process is done. Those wells will not be affected by the ordinance. And our tourist and second home industry and maybe our water supply will already be damaged. As Neil Young put it, “Gone, gone, the damage done.” So, if we wait to “hear otherwise” before starting to worry about drilling, worry won’t do much good. There will be nothing to do about it then. Then we can only grieve. |
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Joe Ferretti
Dec 22, 2011
5:16 pm
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Might I suggest that the best time to regulate is when those who are to be regulated don't give a damn? |
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Higher Ground
Dec 22, 2011
5:25 pm
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By the way, the final bill says the following: §22-6A-20. Local ordinances. |
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Higher Ground
Dec 22, 2011
5:29 pm
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Concise and wise observation by Mr. Ferretti. |
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Dustyrider
Dec 22, 2011
5:37 pm
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The argument “They won't drill here it's not good enough” is bogus. In Richwood they drilled first to see if it was good enough. Then they figured out what to do with gas when they found it. In Richwood the answer was to illegally flare it for months on end. There is no pipeline and none in sight. See the link. http://www.register-herald.com/todaysfrontpage/x623730749/Illegal-flare-burning-near-Richwood 4,860 cubic feet per second of gas up in smoke. Is that good planning on the gas company's part? Is the lessee getting paid for his gas? The drilling company got paid; so did the frackers and truckers. All the outside workers who came in to work got paid but nobody is collecting for that burning gas. The company is probably going to get fined but that is the price of doing business. |
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Trish McNaull
Dec 22, 2011
9:21 pm
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TWO POINTS: 1) According to this article, "The temporary air quality permit application would allow for around-the-clock, continuous flaring of the wells’ 4,860 cubic feet per second output. The gas coming from the wells is 97 percent methane, according to an analysis in the permit application, with ethane, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, propane, butane, and sulfur composing the rest. The permit application lists the maximum potential emissions per hour from the flare as 35,000 pounds of carbon dioxide; 300 pounds of methane; 110 pounds of carbon monoxide; 20 pounds of nitrogen oxide; and trace amounts of sulphur dioxide. " 2) Part of the EPA proposal to regulate emissions: "The VOC (volatile organic compound) emission reductions from wells, combined with reductions from storage tanks and other ANECDOTAL: My husband and I tried to access this well site in August, but were turned away. The guard told us that the drilling rig had been moved offsite to fracture a well on the other side of Richwood before the time limit ran out. Flaring had been going on every night at that point, and is still occurring. TAKE AWAY MESSAGE: This is an example of the lack of concern for local's people's health by corporate gas and by the state regulatory body; the gas company will not stop flaring, and Charleston will not make them, and actually is negotiating down a fine that the state should be collecting. |
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no fracking way
Dec 22, 2011
9:33 pm
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While some have their heads buried in the sand believing that "it won't happen here", the gas companies continue to pour hundreds of thousands of dollars into securing leases for gas rights to now over 50 percent of Pocahontas County. This "money" talks, while the "BS" about it not happening here walks. That's the reality folks. |
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freeholder
Dec 23, 2011
1:46 am
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4860cubic feet of gas per second is being burned with fumes polluting the atmosphere? Did I misunderstand something ?I note that anyone burning a few milk cartons, newspapers and other household debris can be fined. The gas company/drilling company should pay the state of WV or Nicholas county for every cubic foot of this gas being burned. |
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JIM
Dec 23, 2011
10:04 am
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I personally think that Martin has arrived at a common sense attitude and refuses to be obsessed with a "Chicken Little complex" Now for all the radicals who hate anyone that refuses to march in lock step with them and their opinions, your efforts are counter productive. Whether pro or con on gas drilling radicals on either side only serve to reinforce the opposition’s resolve. In our present day society it is clear to see that we are only concerned about ourselves and it that situation, at the end of the day, money always wins. |
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been here
Dec 23, 2011
12:30 pm
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i was always taught that if you wasn't willing to have it in your back yard then don't use it.if we are going to ban drilling then we should ban natural gas and anything made from natural gas.if you think drilling is so bad then you shouldn't expect people in other counties or states to suffer because of your greed. |
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freeholder
Dec 23, 2011
12:43 pm
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Those who wish to protect our clean water from the ravages of the shale frackers are quite unselfish:they are thinking of all of us .I do not see them as "Chicken Little" or lock steppers and certainly not radicals.Tthey are well versed in relevant information; they are aware of the callused, indifference displayed by industrialists and politicians, sadly ,towards West Virginia. I wish that there were many more of them. |
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egad
Dec 23, 2011
4:40 pm
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Dear been there, et al, I understand the sentiment you were raised with. It doesn’t hold up to reason, however, unless we go for zoning. I use plastic—my car is loaded with it; I use metal—my tractor certainly, and I use rubber—both vehicles. I also use titanium—my knee replacement. I also eat meat. I have to tell you: I do not want a plastics factory, a steel foundry or a rubber manufacturer in my back yard. Honestly, I don’t want a slaughterhouse either although I do process my own deer from time to time. There are places where those activities can occur without endangering life or elements necessary for life. And those places need to be gathered together so that supervision of them and the ‘uglification’ of areas can be limited as well as transportation of the product done in a sensible manner that brings about the least endangerment. In the end, that saves money as well as natural resources, leads to a safer populace unless, as in China, people don’t matter. Then we can toss away people with abandon as we cut corners on safety, pollution and life amenities that make us healthier. It comes down, sometimes, to a matter of values. What is more important to us? Money? Humans? Children? Do we really believe the winner is the one who dies with the most toys? Is that winning? Balance. I think we need balance between cost and ‘progress.’ And, JIM, I don’t think of myself as some sort of radical—whatever that is. I guess you do. And I beg to tell you that you are putting words in my mouth if you meant me. I hate no one. Wasted energy. People assuming positions and lobbing grenades at each other accomplishes little but carnage. I do believe in education. When someone posits a position, I want to see facts. Substantiated replicable facts. I want to see logic. And careful examination of values. When people resort to name calling, ad hominem attacks or leaving the discussion in a huff, then I have a good indication that I am nearing the correct track. Note: I did not say ‘right’. I mean tending towards more right than not. And I do try to stay open to new information, regardless. And thanks, freeholder. It is difficult speaking up sometimes. People think and say all sorts of nasty things; in all honesty it would be easier just to walk away and let somebody else do it or shrug and decide that ‘big money will win as always’ or ‘the little guy can’t win’ or to blame others instead of taking responsibility as an American and jump in. But we digress. I think our water is in threatened by Marcellus shale drilling as it is done now. Water is used by all of us. I do want it in my back yard. If we wait to see if drilling is really going to happen here, as others have pointed out, it may be too late to protect it. Water is a vital, irreplaceable life resource of peculiar fragility here in Pocahontas County. If we can bind together as a community we just might be able to protect it for everybody. No guarantee. My value system says I ought to try. |
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JIM
Dec 31, 2011
12:03 pm
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Egad |
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Beth Little
Jan 4, 2012
8:49 pm
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I can't figure out how to post a hyperlink here, but if you copy the following to your browser, this is an article on how fracking is violating human rights: http://www.earthworksaction.org/files/publications/EHRA_Human-rights-fracking-FINAL.pdf From the opening facts: "Despite claims of economic benefit, hydraulic fracturing presents significant risks "Water concerns include possible dewatering of aquifers from high-volume |