Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
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Martin Saffer
Sep 10, 2011
5:57 am
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Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Well Spacing Well Pad Size Noise Traffic Air Pollution |
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Martin Saffer
Sep 10, 2011
6:29 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Water Withdrawals Water withdrawals of fresh water from our streams and rivers is currently unregulated. Historically, gas wells in WV used under 100,000 gallons of water. For Marcellus wells the amount of water used depends on whether it is a vertical well (600,000 to 2 million gallons) or a horizontal well (2 million to 5 million gallons) and how many times it is fracked (multiply 2 -5 million gallons times several fracks). But water needed for one site doesn’t stop there because there are several wells drilled on one wellpad (from 4 to as many as 10). This is a problem because that water is being sucked out of our streams and rivers. The loss of fresh water from streams feeding our rivers means that some of the beneficial effect of dilution is lost. Pollutants from other sources are therefore more concentrated at our public water intakes on rivers. Public treatment plants do not remove most pollutants such as salts, chemicals and heavy metals. Thus the pollutants pass through the system and out our taps. |
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Martin Saffer
Sep 10, 2011
6:53 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Lets do some math. Assume the the county is 940 square miles and that only ten percent is leased. That gives us 94 drilling pool pads times 8 wells. To me that is a huge impact. |
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JIM
Sep 10, 2011
11:29 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Martin, you have done the math on one side, now do the math for dollars generated to laborer's, truck drivers, drill hands, royalities, fuel, truck repair shops, tires,not to mention all the jobs generated by such an operation. |
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Janet
Sep 10, 2011
2:15 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Jim, "Abundant lower [cost] energy for our nation" is also an important goal- HOWEVER - we need to factor in the liquid natural gas plants presently coming on line in our ports so we can ship the gas from under Pocahontas County to Asia. Surely there are other ways to produce energy in the state, and maybe even the county, that are not destructive of what we have now. |
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Martin Saffer
Sep 10, 2011
2:36 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Natural gas is only twenty percent of national energy. Several large land owners could get rich (of course they already are rich) and everyone else will become poorer. Land values will plummet. Tourism would vanish. Your water could well be ruined. Workers will come from Texas and Louisiana and not stay or put down roots. Road will be ruined, costs will skyrocket and big money will simply move away after we have been plundered. Is that your idea of pennies from heaven? |
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been here
Sep 10, 2011
5:17 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
martin where are the pads that are 5 to 15 acres and who built them and what gas company owns them. |
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Martin Saffer
Sep 11, 2011
6:09 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
UNITED STATES FORM 10-K Annual report pursuant to section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 For the Fiscal Year Ended December 31, 2010 Transition report pursuant to section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 GASTAR EXPLORATION LTD. Alberta, Canada 98-0570897 331 Lamar Street, Suite 1080 Houston, Texas (713) 739-1800 (Registrant’s telephone number, including area code) In December 2010, we completed the Marcellus Acquisition for $28.9 million. The acquisition consisted of approximately 62,000 net acres of leasehold in the Marcellus Shale concentrated in Preston, Tucker, Pocahontas, Randolph and Pendleton Counties, West Virginia, including a gathering system comprised of 41 miles of four and six inch steel pipeline, a salt water disposal well, and five conventional wells producing approximately 500 Mcf per day (gross) of natural gas. Read more: http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/110310/GASTAR-EXPLORATION-LTD_10-K/#ixzz1XdY2XTn3 |
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Ruth Bland
Sep 11, 2011
8:32 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Gotta agree with Janet. I want it (whatever energy source that may be) to be minimally invasive yet beneficial to our residents, mindful of the rights of property owners, and attentive to the direction that the National Forest representatives are thinking about. Sounds almost impossible, but our community is blessed with many creative thinkers as well as tireless volunteers. Given the right forum and with the understanding of the magnitude of the issue facing the community as a whole, it can be hashed out. Just hope that we can mobilize soon for the benefit of all. |
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Janet
Sep 11, 2011
1:35 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Today's Charleston Gazette/Mail had three stories that struck me as being pertinent to the present discussion. An article about the flooding in the East while Texas burns also considered proposed plans to move water from one part of the country/world to another and the legal suits filed over water. As they say in Colorado, "Whiskey is for drinking; water is for fighting over." In his weekly column about nature, Scott Shalaway discussed how important "nature" was to him ten years ago as he fought the horror and grief of 911, and speculated on everyone's continuing need for some connection with nature. The third article, that really addresses a challenge for anything that endangers our water, was the announcement that some of the crayfish in the Greenbrier north of Anthony and it's tributaries are home to a unique species, not found anywhere else in the world. The first of these were gathered in 1900 in Durbin, but not recognized as unique until recently. They are not presently on the endangered list because there are plenty of them in the various forks of the Greenbrier, but if that water is severly impacted, we could wipe out a species about as soon as we found it. Something like water that falls from the sky and flows up from the ground seems so permanent and inexhaustable. It's easy to take water and air and growing things for granted if we don't look outside our county boudaries. It's easy to forget the incredible value of clean water. |
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been here
Sep 11, 2011
10:32 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
my son lives in tioga pa. and works for gas field specialist.two other men from marlinton used to work for them but they got a job with another company doing gas field work.their job was to build access roads and drill pads.a lot of the pads they built were 250 by 250 ft. which is @1.43 acres to around 400 by 400 which is @3.67 acres .tioga is one of the hot spots for gas drilling in pa but i didn't see all the gloom and doom that you talk about.the roads that i drove on were in good shape.people were boating on tioga lake and people were riding on a tourist train outside of tioga .while some people can find the worst in anything i didn't see anything that i thought was bad and i consider myself a conservationist. |
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freeholder
Sep 11, 2011
11:18 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
What is real in this confrontation? Is there much gas in solid rock? Is it possible to bore down through a water table or aquifer to blast rock 1 mile below the surface |
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Martin Saffer
Sep 12, 2011
6:30 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
The size of the wave: West Virginia Northern Panhandle Leasehold As of August, 2010 Chesapeake had in excess of 100,000 acres leased in West Virginia's northern panhandle including the aforementioned acreage in Wheeling's Oglebay Park. http://www.waytogoto.com/wiki/index.php/Chesapeake_Energy And this is their total number in all states: |
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freeholder
Sep 12, 2011
11:34 am
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
And what does that mean?"And this is their total number in all states?" What is the number? Who owns the gas underneath Olgebay? Under the Mom Forest? Who signs the lease?Do we own gas or anything else that is located a mile underneath our property? Our deeds do not say so.WV ,it seems,is on the verge of greater destruction than it endured from coal mining , and mostly for the benefit of out of state business interests.If the drilling is |
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RML
Sep 13, 2011
1:57 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
I feel very agreeable today. I agree with Jim and welcome gas drilling if it is “done in a safe manner.” Unfortunately, the gas companies have so much money that they can rent many of our state legislators and bully the DNR. Profit-centered gas companies call the shots. Drilling will be done cheap and dirty unless we hold our state legislators accountable. I agree that we need the income, but not at the cost of our long-term economy. If our water isn’t pure and our scenery isn’t unspoiled our major long-term source of revenue -- visitors -- will go away. Then what? I agree with Janet -- we don’t eat, breath or drink gas. Cheap energy won’t mean much in a world where we need machines to purify every breath of air, sip of water and bite of food. I agree with ‘been here’ that drilling for gas may be a fine idea -- in Tioga County, Pennsylvania. Since 1859 that state has been punched through by so many wells that a few more can’t possibly matter. Tioga County’s largest city is named “Wellsboro”! And the first Marcellus reference on the Wellsboro Chamber of Commerce’s web site is a Penn State study: “although development of (Marcellus shale) is having a positive economic impact in the state, the net benefits may be more modest than previously reported...” I agree with ‘freeholder’ that all citizens should benefit from the development of a state’s natural resources. The first sentence in the U.S. Constitution says our government’s job is to “promote the general Welfare.” The Constitution does not say that government’s job is to reserve the benefits of economic growth to a privileged few. And I agree with freeholder that it is unfair for the state to charge the average citizen a higher tax rate than it charges billionaire gas companies. The only posting that I dislike with is from the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. It states that the Gastar corporation owns a “salt water disposal well” here or in a neighboring county. Disposal wells were meant for natural salt water from traditional gas wells. Apparently, behind the scenes, someone has “repurposed” the wells for disposal of toxic fluids from fracking operations. How is a company allowed to inject contaminated water into somebody else’s water supply? In the good old days, poisoning a well was a hanging offense. -- Rich |
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normanalderman
Sep 13, 2011
3:21 pm
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Re: Let's Start Looking at Some Gas Drilling Reality Folks
Rich, you hit the nail on the head. The upper end gas wells are storage wells which means that once the natural gas has a destination that they can be used for fracking fluids. |