Gambling at the Greenbrier
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Martin Saffer
Apr 11, 2009
2:44 pm
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Gambling at the Greenbrier
In the evening session of the Senate, members passed a bill that will bring gaming to the historic Greenbrier Resort. Senate Bill 575 authorizes table games, slot machines, video lottery machines and certain games of chance to be permitted for participation by guests at The Greenbrier Resort. The bill sets the same standards for games at the Greenbrier that are already in affect at other gambling establishments in West Virginia. What is your feeling about gambling and its pros and cons. I personally feel it is a huge mistake. It represents the lowest form of monetary gain in that success is dependent on chance only and not on hard work. Gambling brings crime and it brings losers (more than winners). |
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JIm
Apr 11, 2009
4:29 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
I believe the Senate had a knee jerk reaction to the Greenbrier's impending Bankruptcy. |
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Linda gibb
Apr 11, 2009
10:37 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
What is going on down in Charleston? |
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Allen Johnson
Apr 30, 2009
12:00 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
I oppose ALL forms of state gambling on several grounds. (there will be some redundancy) This includes lotteries (maybe especially lotteries since their major customers are moderate to low income people...but that for later).
-Allen Johnson |
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JIm
Apr 30, 2009
7:40 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
Well said, Allen. |
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Martin Saffer
May 1, 2009
9:12 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
I agree Allen. Ultimately these issues boil down to several human frailties: the desire to get something for nothing and failure to count one's blessings. |
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Bill
Oct 19, 2009
1:38 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
It's my understanding that gambling at the Greenbriar will only be available to guests at the hotel. If that is the case I don't understand how anyone can object. |
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Martin Saffer
Oct 20, 2009
8:25 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
So is the innuendo of your remark to the effect that if only the rich gamble it can't hurt? What about the climate it will create in the surrounding community and the smaller gambling establishments that will follow to ensnare the "not so rich and famous". |
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Bill
Oct 20, 2009
8:48 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
You can't legislate morality. It's been tried and doesn't work. What I said was if gambling is restricted to guests at The Greenbriar there will be no other gambling establishments. The effect will be more guests at The Greenbriar spending more money and thus increasing tax revenue for the area. |
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Bill
Oct 20, 2009
4:19 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating gambling. Far from it. It's for chumps. I remember Atlantic City before the casinos moved in. By the late 60's it was really a slummy place. Now it's a slummy place with casinos. I'm sure the casinos are generating tax revenue. But it didn't come to Atlantic City. On the other hand, gambling at The Greenbrier will never approach the scale of Atlantic City. Still, there will probably be a few additional jobs and that's a good thing. |
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David Fleming
Oct 20, 2009
11:34 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
I recall when I heard that gambling at The Greenbrier was being considered. I thought it a bad idea, in poor taste, etc. But now that we understand it is just for the guests, I must admit I find it more palatable. Which, it seems, implies that I thought the original plan was to provide gambling to the public at large - that is what I wasn't too thrilled about. Yet strangely, I cannot rationalize for myself why the gambling only being for guests is really any different. So I kind of get Bill's 10/19 1:38pm comment, but I'm not sure why. I'm not a gambler myself; never play the lottery for example. I think I just feel that people spend too much on the lottery, and by extension I have a negative view of gambling. But I suppose the fact that The Greenbrier has gambling is something that I can get over fairly quickly. In fact, I think I'm over it. :-) DF |
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Martin Saffer
Oct 21, 2009
5:30 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
Commissioner, what will be your answer when and if the question becomes "Gambling at Snowshoe"? |
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JIm
Oct 21, 2009
7:18 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
Martin You oppose Wind power, gambling and coal mining, when the tax revenues that are derived from these are removed, how would you fund the short fall? |
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Martin Saffer
Oct 21, 2009
8:02 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
If our tax revenue depends on gambling, then I say government has not done its job. |
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Bill
Oct 21, 2009
8:20 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
I oppose coal because it's dirty and, especially the brown coal burned in China, is really degrading our environment. But, until there is a cheaper alternative coal's widespread use will continue. I don't oppose wind power. What I object to is placing windmill farms in places they don't belong for a variety of reasons. For instance: you wouldn't surround the Gettysburg Battlefield with them. Or on The Mall in Washington. And, as a homeowner I shouldn't have to look at them If I don't want to. Many residents of Pocahontas County have wonderful scenic views from their houses. Suppose you're one of those people and one day giant windmills began to appear in front of your home. The value of your quality of life frequently isn't a factor in deciding where to locate windmill farms or power plants or Walmarts. |
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Martin Saffer
Oct 21, 2009
8:55 am
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
Bill, it can be if a community decides that is what it wants. The idea that someone other than ourselves has the power to plunk down in our midst things we don't want is nonsense. We citizens can have as much power over our destiny as we give ourselves. It takes work and communication and the fostering of a common vision; but divided we fall. |
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Bill
Oct 21, 2009
12:11 pm
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Re: Gambling at the Greenbrier
In a perfect world we do. Remember the private prison proposal for Denmar? Norman Alderman whipped up a frenzy of support for that one. It wasn't defeated because rational citizens protested. It was defeated because the promoters turned out to be crooks and because we don't have the infrastructure to support it.. And the coal fired power plant Walt Helmick wanted built in The Little Levels so he could sell coal to it. That was defeated because the Greenbriar didn't have enough water to cool it, not because those of us living in the area didn't want it. Bill |