GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
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Martin Saffer
Jul 20, 2011
11:34 am
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GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
I was amazed by the GVEDC last night when they advocated wind development and drilling in the Marcellus shale as means to economic advancement for our area. I sent this reply today: |
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normanalderman
Jul 21, 2011
7:56 am
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
Marty, I am researching the issue of a moratorium on drilling; it won't work unless the CC is willing to buy everybody's gas rights. What Happens When Gov Try to Stop Drilling! On June 21, the City of Morgantown enacted an ordinance prohibiting drilling a well for the purpose of extracting or storing oil or gas using horizontal drilling with fracturing or fracking methods within the limits of the city or within one mile of the corporate city limits of the city, according to the motion filed June 24 in Monongalia Circuit Court. Enrout Properties claims the city is unlawfully taking the property rights of everyone with an interest in Marcellus shale natural gas in an area without compensation. It claims the ordinance should be declared invalid and unenforceable because the city council failed to comply with the charter and that the ordinance was never read by the city clerk in its entirety, which is a violation of the charter. The city of Morgantown is "impermissibly reaching out beyond its borders to regulate oil and gas activities that are exclusively regulated by the State," according to the complaint filed June 23 in Monongalia Circuit Court. Northeast Natural Energy and Enrout Properties claim the ordinance is unconstitutional and unlawful. As the drilling operations conducted by Northeast Natural Energy are permitted by the West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection and authorized as lawful under the West Virginia Oil and Gas Act, the drilling operations cannot constitute a public nuisance, according to the suit. Enrout Properties claims the city's ordinance is arbitrary and capricious in that it attempts to extend the city's jurisdiction over land use beyond its municipal corporate limits. The plaintiffs are seeking for the court to declare the Morgantown ordinance to be in violation of the Constitutions of both West Virginia and the United States of America; award Northeast just compensation in an amount to be determined at trial; and to grant such further relief as the Court deems just and proper. It is being represented by James A. Walls, Michael S. Garrison and Tamara B. Williamson. Monongalia Circuit Court case number: 11-C-411 |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 21, 2011
8:27 am
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
I do not see how it is possible to argue a "takings" when the activity which is sought to be prohibited endangers health and safety. What we have here is the sharp point of the question? Do property rights trump rights of the public to health and safety??? |
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freeholder
Jul 22, 2011
5:21 pm
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
in Wv, the answer is" yes " to your question : the old tannery contamination, mountain top removal mining and probably natural gas drilling are examples of property rights taking precedence over health and safety considerations. |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 22, 2011
5:40 pm
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
So the Commission must take action under its authorized mandate: |
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normanalderman
Jul 24, 2011
5:38 am
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
If it is so hazardous, why is it used as deicer on the highway? |
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normanalderman
Jul 24, 2011
5:48 am
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
DOH to Use Gas Well Brine to Treat Roads A new agreement will allow state road crews to use natural gas well brines to prevent and remove ice from roads in the winter. The West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection has entered an agreement with the state Division of Highways setting standards for natural gas well brines used for winter road safety. The agreement allows the use of natural gas well brines for pre-wetting, or mixing with rock salt to prevent clumping; anti-icing, or applying to roads before precipitation; and deicing, or applying during and after precipitation. The agreement has been in the works for more than a year, according to DEP Water and Waste Management Director Scott Mandirola, and was set in motion when someone suggested that natural gas well brines could replace the brine DOH was mixing from rock salt mined in the Great Lakes region. “That ended up containing a fair amount of soil, and with that you get iron and other metals,” Mandirola said. “It was going relatively unchecked. We sat down and looked at some specs and came up with some limits that were better than the quality of what was currently being used.” With regard to salts, the agreement sets maximum concentration levels for chloride and sodium and a minimum level for the combination of those salts and calcium — all related to the brine’s freezing temperature. With regard to other aspects of natural gas well brine, the memo establishes levels for pH, iron, barium, lead, oil and grease, benzene and ethylbenzene. For each new source of brine to be used on roadways, DOH has to submit an analysis of these criteria to the DEP. The intention behind the agreement was to use brine that is generated during the ongoing production of natural gas, Mandirola said, not to use the hydraulic fracturing fluid that comes back when Marcellus Shale wells are “fracked.” That fluid contains additives to make it thicker and slicker. However, Louis Bonasso, owner of the AOP Clearwater facility in Fairmont that distills frack flowback and leaves behind a concentrated brine, said that just a little more treatment would qualify his brine under the standards set out in the agreement. “We are currently making 50,000 gallons minimum a day,” said Bonasso, who would like to sell his brine as a byproduct. “I’m excited by this.” Mandirola expressed concerns about using this fluid. He specifically mentioned what’s known as Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material, or NORM, which has been found in some Marcellus Shale “hot spots” in Pennsylvania. NORM hasn’t been ruled out in West Virginia. In addition, when operators at the Clarksburg wastewater treatment plant wanted to treat Marcellus Shale brine, the DEP required the plant to test for about 30 other substances that are not mentioned in the agreement with DOH, including arsenic, mercury and selenium. While Mandirola conceded that some brine applied to roadways will find its way to the state’s waters, he said the standards set in the agreement were not aimed at maintaining water quality standards. “What we came up with here is equal to or better than what’s been happening,” he said. “From a public safety perspective, you have to allow de-icing,” he said. “I wouldn’t necessarily say it outweighs the water quality issues, but in most cases during storm events you’ve got high flow conditions and a lot more dilution available to assimilate the potential contaminants that are used in road salt.” He noted the agreement establishes application rates aimed at minimizing runoff — 10 gallons per ton for pre-wetting, 50 gallons per lane-mile for anti-icing and 100 gallons per lane-mile for de-icing. Walker said DOH maintains 76,000 lane-miles statewide. The department will bid the brine out and is looking for a price of about 5 cents per gallon, he said. It will probably distribute about 1.2 million gallons of brine at 123 sites around the state to start the road treatment season and will purchase further brine as needed. |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 24, 2011
6:08 am
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
Looking to the State Legislature for help and reasoned response on this issue is equivalent to looking down the barrel of a gun and watching the bullet come at you. The DEP has lost its way. |
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RML
Jul 24, 2011
10:51 am
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
With regard to Norman's comment: -- The DEP agreement ignores a dozen toxic substances which are part of the fracking process. -- The DEP admits that the agreement is "not intended to maintain water quality standards." -- Neither State nor Federal governments will protect our water or property rights. Many laws and regulations are written by, and for, the corporations they are intended to regulate. -- Anyone who thinks that brine from gas wells isn't hazardous should drink some. -- Rich |
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JIM
Jul 25, 2011
9:15 pm
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
Martin I believe that the DEP is not following your way. There has to be a balance that won't be harmful to health. And this thing of not wanting to see windfarms, I actually marvel at them. Obviously you and I have a different view on what we find offensive, but who is right? I think I am right, you think you are right, put this matter to public vote and live by the majority. |
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normanalderman
Jul 25, 2011
9:29 pm
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Re: GVEDC Advocates Wind and Marcellus Shale
RML, I certainly agree with you. DEP thinks that Howe's Leather has been rehabbed. I think not! The problem is that in a court of law it may well be a valid and logical presumption. I think that fracking brine used as deicer is bad but DEP says that it is not a problem and allows it on the road. The de-icing argument is an achille's heel that needs to be used with all its legal ramifications. |