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County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

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Martin Saffer
Aug 22, 2011
8:51 am
County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

I am going to propose that the Commission fund a County wide water resource and testing program immediately to get a hold of two very big issues 1. Where does all this water go? (underground, streams, rivers, pools, lakes, caves etc) and 2. What is the tested quality now in areas and in your well. If you look at proposed legislation they are talking in terms of 1,000 feet which in this county with its water in karst and caves and springs is totally unacceptable and we must get ahead of this issue before the first well is ever permitted or we will never control this issue.

Martin Saffer
Aug 22, 2011
2:13 pm
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

I put this on the Commission agenda for September 6th

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Vaughn Judson
Aug 22, 2011
4:23 pm
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

Excellent thinking! Thank you for moving forward now to preserve our water.

JIM
Aug 22, 2011
8:46 pm
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

I say the price will provide enough sticker shock to stop that dead still.

David Litsey
Aug 23, 2011
11:44 am
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

I believe that the Elk River Watershed is really pretty well done. George Phillips and Bill Liebman(8 Rivers) both Pocahontas affiliated have been working on this a long time, as have other hydrology pioneers from the 60's and seventies. In addition, the Department of Defense maintained a huge database for at least a while, and probably still today. Evan Hansen, from Down Stream Strategies has developed several excellent models, and I would encourage getting him/his crew/George and Bill in the same room, tell them your questions/and see what plan they can come up with to answer your questions. You might be amazed at what is already there. In addition, Culver and Jones have been working on these areas for a long time as well and weren't real expensive.

The National Speological Society could have a "field day" setting this up and if I am not mistaken, they have a national get together in Randolph COunty over Labor Day Weekend every year. Bill and George would know more about that. With a little local coordination and assistance they might do a huge amount of work for you, feed it into Evan just like we used to feed it into the pentagon, and boom, you have a plan. It won't be cheap, but it won't be a bunker buster either.

Martin Saffer
Aug 28, 2011
8:57 am
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

google news article:
If private well owners anywhere close to Marcellus Shale drilling areas need a wakeup call to protect the integrity of their water supply, here’s a statistic: The natural gas industry in Pennsylvania accrued more than 2,000 contamination-related violations between 2008 and 2010.

An accident posing risks to groundwater doesn’t necessarily come from drilling alone. Ask Lock Haven resident Rebecca Dunlap. Last February, a tanker truck crashed near her property, spilling some 3,600 gallons of frack water within 200 feet of her well.

As reported in the Centre Daily Times’ two-part series on risks to water posed by Marcellus drilling, Dunlap could rest assured that her water wasn’t contaminated from the spill because she had a test done on her well in 2010. The baseline data from that test was compared to one after the spill and found no contaminants.

But what if some contaminants were present in tests after the spill and she didn’t have the results from the earlier test? How could she prove the contaminants weren’t present prior to the accident?

To protect themselves legally, water specialists at the Penn State Cooperative Extension said it is “critical’’ for property owners to have periodic tests conducted.

The northern and western parts of Centre County are of greatest risk of contamination since they are closest to drilling activity, and with it the threat of the escape of drilling mud from the pad site, a spill of potentially toxic flowback water from the drilling process, erosion, sedimentation from development of drilling pads or access roads, or a well blowout.

But as the truck accident shows, there are potential issues for those in areas within proximity of the Marcellus.

State and local officials appear to be on top of the situation. County officials, for example, are developing “zones of contribution’’ to water supplies, which gives them the authority to approach the state Department of Environmental Protection or drillers themselves to request readjustments to of well sites to better protect water from a possible accident or other potential source of contamination.

But the regulatory apparatus for natural gas drilling is still an evolving process in Pennsylvania — critics contend the state was not prepared for the industry’s arrival — and oversight legislation has been slow to come from the General Assembly.

This and the enactment, at a minimum, of extraction fees to aid local municipalities within the Marcellus in dealing with environmental and infrastructural issues should be one of the first orders of business when lawmakers return to session next month.

The need for improved regulations and fees isn’t in question. Even Gov. Tom Corbett’s industry-stacked Marcellus Shale Advisory Commission has recommended as much.

Meanwhile, private well owners in this area shouldn’t wait on Harrisburg. Get your wells tested and obtain the baseline data that could prove so legally and financially valuable.

Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/08/28/2892125/time-to-get-baseline-testing-is.html#ixzz1WKO8GVHS

normanalderman
Aug 30, 2011
9:36 am
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

Excellent thought, Marty! You have to be in front with testing. After the meeting at the courthouse, I realized that you have a very difficult burden to prove "nuisance" when the state constantly and continuously is "approving" Marcellus wells. The presumption is that the state does things well. (lol)

You should take note of the recent finding of a river 13,000 ft deep in the Amazon!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been pursuing another angle: taxing. I choose a prominent sale of hydrocarbons at 2 plus million dollars and discovered that it has resulted in a tax of only $1700 per half year. Also note that the seller only sold 73 % of the land. I think that this was a way of staying in the game for a percentage of the take. I have the docs on my website.

normanalderman
Aug 31, 2011
1:57 pm
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

The First place to start is at Cass.

normanalderman
Aug 31, 2011
4:24 pm
Re: County Wide water Testing Now is a Necessity

This is a brilliant way to ensure a percentage of the gas; it is better than a royalty reserve. Retain 23% of the hydrocarbons and that is better than 1/8 of 3%.

Here is the data that you entered
23 Your royalty rate.
$4.19 Average wellhead gas price.
.2 Average well production rate in millions of cubic feet per day.
10 Acres you own within the well's production unit.
1 Number of acres in the well's production unit.
$703,501.00 Your expected royalty payment per year.

located at geology.com

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