Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
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Martin Saffer
Jul 13, 2011
6:06 am
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Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
By Matt Daily NEW YORK | Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:25pm EDT (Reuters) - Energy investor T. Boone Pickens said he has been buying up U.S. shale acreage, and he could consider signing joint ventures to develop the properties, or some property sales. "I'm in two big shale plays and one of them is the Marcellus," Pickens said in an interview, referring to the massive natural gas field that stretches from West Virginia and Ohio across Pennsylvania and into New York. Pickens said his other shale holdings are in an oil shale field, but he declined to name the field. "I'm still buying," he said. Advances in drilling technology in the past decade have opened up vast tracts across the United States to oil and gas drilling that were once too difficult or expensive to tap. The shale fields could hold enough natural gas to supply the United States for more than a century, experts have estimated, although the hydraulic fracturing techniques used to extract the gas have raised environmental concerns in some areas. Companies are also shifting drilling efforts into shale fields that hold oil or natural gas liquids, since those fuels are fetching far higher prices than natural gas. That boom has seen property prices in some gas basins such as the Marcellus surge above $10,000 an acre, while prices in the liquids-rich areas of Texas's Eagle Ford shale have topped $20,000 an acre. "I got in under what I've seen some of them sell for, $5,000 or $10,000 an acre, and I didn't pay anything like that. But I haven't sold anything," he said. Pickens said there appear to be at least two companies interested in setting up joint ventures with shale acreage owners, but has not made any moves so far. "There's some parts of it I'd be interested in maybe selling some of it, and some I wouldn't," he said. |
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Ruth Bland
Jul 13, 2011
8:07 am
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
Mr. Saffer: I understand your concern over this very complex, confusing, and frightening issue, but has there been a wave of speculators and gas companies procuring contracts here in Pocahontas County? I know of a few wells already drilled in Pendleton County, but none here yet. My family owns quite a bit of land there and no companies have approached them yet and there are maybe 2 wells within a 15 mile radius of the land. I understand the need to protect our natural resources, and yes, the mess that is associated with Marcellus Shale is troublesome, but sounding the alarm without knowing how many land owners have marketed their mineral rights and which companies are exploring prospects within Pocahontas County is somewhat premature. I do agree that a plan needs to be in place should a "rush" occur, but are you looking to enact ordinances now to discourage speculators from considering Pocahontas County land? And, what is a consensus of county residents? I know from your forum that there are those vehemently opposed and others that are in favor with conditions, but that is a very small sampling of the land owners. How can you or the CC determine the opinions of county residents except through CC meetings or phone calls concerning the issue? I would like to see some statistics regarding the number of contracts procured and what companies are infiltrating Pocahontas County. Ruth Bland |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 13, 2011
8:49 am
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
Ruth, your questions are valid concerns. Just what is the overall opinion of land owners as to the wisdom of Marcellus drilling and fracking is yet to be fathomed completely and needs more data before any consideration of action or not by the Commission. There were a significant number of gas leases entered into in the past several years such that the County is exposed to gas exploration and Marcellus fracking should gas companies wish to exercise the rights they have purchased under present leases. Also some gas and mineral rights were purchased outright at the turn of the last century and they would be in addition to those in the lease pool. The present drilling is occurring largely north of Route 50 in WV and is localized to areas of easy access and water and, of course, shale thickness and geology concerns. Depending of future gas prices and shale, the stage is set such that drilling could quickly spread to our County. Remember, a Marcellus well is an extravagant and very expensive undertaking so cherry picking seems to be the rule for now. Water is the serious concern. As a farming and tourist economy, this County can not survive if its water is ruined. Fracking requires several millions of gallons of water for each well and that water when used is contaminated and becomes a potentially polluting source to ground water reserves and wells and streams etc. Remember, once you put a drop of ink in a gallon of water it is very hard to remove it. Storage, reuse or disposal of water used to frack wells is a very big issue. This is in addition to any problems resulting from improperly drilled and cased wells. |
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Ruth Bland
Jul 13, 2011
10:19 am
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
I have another question. Given the vast amount of federal land here in Pocahontas County, could the natural gas harvesting potential be akin to the timbering restrictions and be eligible for the payment in lieu of taxes for roads and schools? https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=app_2915120374#!/Partnr4RuralAMR http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=249959 Could be a potentially great move on our part to preserve our beautiful county as well as bringing revenue for roads and schools. Anybody exploring this? Shirlene Groseclose has been testifying before the subcommittee during the past year and I am wondering about the CC support for continuation of these funds. |
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RML
Jul 13, 2011
12:03 pm
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
Yes, Ruth, that would be very nice. It would be nice if the gas industry cared about clean water and paid a fair share of taxes. And it would be nice if Santa left every County resident a sack of gold coins. Don't expect either to happen. The gas industry has the power in Washington to let it pump billions of gallons of toxic chemicals right through our water supply. The gas industry has the power in Charleston to dodge paying their fair share in taxes. Big Gas gets what it wants. At more than $14-billion a year in West Virginia, gas is bigger than coal and growing fast. Our state 'representatives' depend on gas money to get elected. Our only hope is that someone who cares more about the people than about the gas industry will force Big Gas to protect our water supply and to pay their fair share. If Big Gas paid taxes at the same rate as someone who earns $40,000 a year, the state could cut every other form of tax and revenue -- abolish all state taxes and fees -- and still have a budget surplus. Why can't this happen? Because the people who 'represent' us in Charleston sold us out. It's up to county and local governments to do what little they can to protect our interests, our water and our economy. As for being a good source of long-term income, the shale gas industry has a very dirty secret: Traditional gas wells can produce good income for years. Gas flow from shale only lasts a few months. There are no long-term benefits, only long-term problems. |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 13, 2011
1:49 pm
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
"Payments in Lieu of Taxes" (or PILT) are Federal payments to local governments that help offset losses in property taxes due to nontaxable Federal lands within their boundaries. |
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Ruth Bland
Jul 13, 2011
2:04 pm
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
Mr. Laska, Please don't think that I am naive as to the issues with gas and coal, and most definitely I know the number of public officials who have bought mineral rights within our county. I am not wearing rose colored glasses, just wanting to get them before they get us. Mr. Saffer, The present program expires on September 30, 2011 which will result in about a 1/2 million dollars less for the school system's budget. The payments are based on the property tax but also the estimated amount of capital gained from the usage of the land should an industry be located here. Given the vast amount of coal and natural gas throughout the National Forest, this is an issue that needs to be explored. What position does the CC take on the re-authorization of this program? |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 13, 2011
6:00 pm
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
The PILT payment is important to the county budget as well. Please put yourself on our agenda to discuss this matter and what the Commission can do to support the program in the future. The coal and gas in the forest is a complex issue that involves private ownership in some instances and impacts on areas outside forest boundaries. As well is the matter of takings which private holders have demanded payments for not mining coal as did Senator Helmick. |
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Ruth Bland
Jul 13, 2011
8:31 pm
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
I am just wondering why the CC has not taken an active role in the reauthorization process as it has in the past. This is a very important issue for both the county functions and the schools. The US House Natural Resources Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands Oversight will have a hearing tomorrow regarding the Secure Rural Schools Reauthorization and Forest Management Options for a Viable County Payments Program. The hearing begins at 10:00 AM and will possibly be available via web cast - http://naturalresources.house.gov/Live/ |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 15, 2011
11:54 am
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
Shale in Texas is also a hot commodity for purchase and speculation. Reuters) - BHP Billiton's $12.1 billion agreed takeover of U.S. shale gas producer Petrohawk Energy Corp shows environmental concerns and weak margins have not cooled interest in this controversial energy source. Since the countries with the biggest oil and mineral resources restrict foreign companies' ability to access those reserves, companies have been forced to reinvest their cash from bumper commodity prices in possibly the most widely criticized and least lucrative part of the industry. BHP's move into U.S. shale gas is therefore only the latest example of a trend that appears resistant to growing political headwinds. Companies splashed out $39 billion buying U.S. shale gas companies and assets last year, equivalent to 21 percent of all global oil and gas mergers and acquisitions activity, according to data from industry consultants Wood Mackenzie. The players at the top of the oil industry, such as Exxon Mobil and BP Plc, were slow to realize the potential of U.S. shale gas, forcing them to buy companies to gain a foothold. Now mid-tier international groups such as BHP and Norway's Statoil are joining the game, even though the logic of these transactions is threatened by environmentalists' calls for restrictions on shale gas drilling. Shale and other forms of "tight" or hard to extract gas are extracted by a process known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. This involves shooting a mixture of water, sand and chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and kerosene into a well to break up or fracture the rock and release the natural gas contained within. Critics say the process leads to the chemicals seeping into the water table and causes climate change-causing methane gas to leak into the atmosphere. France, South Africa, Quebec and New York state have imposed outright shale drilling bans or moratoriums until the risks are better studied. The rash of shale deals is also despite shale gas production not making anyone rich. Low U.S. gas prices and rising production costs led Petrohawk to report a net loss in the first quarter. UNDERLYING APPEAL Analysts at UBS investment research estimate natural gas prices need to be between $5.50 and $6.00 per million British thermal units (BTU) to justify tapping into shale gas fields. Between 2004 and 2008, U.S. natural gas prices traded well above this level, but have not done so since then. Prices averaged $4.32/million BTU in the second quarter, according to data from BP. So what is the underlying appeal of the spate of deals in the sector? To a large extent, it's due to a paucity of other opportunities. Countries with big oil and gasfields tend to keep their deposits for their state oil companies to develop. And where foreign companies are given access, it is often on unattractive and highly variable terms. By contrast, U.S. shale gas resources are open to investment, offer low legal risk, low taxes and a big prize. Total reserves could be 650 trillion cubic feet of gas equivalent, Wood Mackenzie said. Even at today's depressed gas prices, this would be worth some $2.7 trillion. "Its a paradigm shift. Unconventionals (shale and tight gas)are large scale, low-to-zero exploration risk," said Oswald Clint, oil analyst at brokerage Bernstein. "The majors (big oil companies) need resources." What's more, while gas prices are weak, many shale fields also produce a form of light oil that offers fat margins. Petrohawk said it aimed for liquids to account for 16 percent of production by year-end. Some acquirers are hoping to use the shale gas expertise they are buying in the United States to exploit shale reserves in other countries, expanding the potential prize. The risk of losing this resource has prompted the industry to work harder to engage the public, promising greater transparency, and also to more aggressively fight critics. "We must work hard to respond to the concerns of our neighbors," Malcolm Brinded, head of Royal Dutch Shell's oil and gas production outside the U.S., told an industry conference late last month, "The industry should vigorously refute the significant misconceptions about tight gas production." (Additional reporting by Sarah Young; Editing by David Holmes) |
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RML
Jul 15, 2011
12:30 pm
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Re: Could Gas Become Real Estate Speculation?
Ruth raises an important point. If (God forbid!) the Feds lease our forests for shale drilling, the County deserves to share the revenue. Surely the County Commission can act on that, right? Congressman Nick Rahall is on the Natural Resources Committee. He is very responsive to citizens' concerns. If he gets enough mail on the subject he will do something. He really knows how to make the Federal bureaucracy work for the people. -- Rich http://www.rahall.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=91§iontree= |