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Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

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Bunny
Sep 9, 2011
2:25 pm
Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Most everyone in Pocahontas County has been following the saga of ARC ~vs~ Pocahontas County Commission. John Fitzgerald from ARC began his quest to take control of County Animals last year, showing up at Commission meetings armed with reams of paperwork and claiming he and his partners could do a better job of caring for the Counties stray and abandoned animals than the former Animal Control Officer, Sandy Mallow.

Sandy Mallow, according to her own words, resigned her position as ACO due to the high pressure tactics Fitzgerald used, stepping aside and away from the stress and rift his meddling caused between Ms. Mallow and her County Employers; deciding to put herself out of the equasion so ARC could assume the responsibility she had undertaken for the prior 13 years.

Ms. Mallow did not interfere with ARC after her resignation. Did not meddle in their affairs.

Thousands upon thousands of County dollars were poured into ARC's new animal shelter, and it seems as though when the County finally came to its senses and balked at the outrageous amount of money the County was shelling out for a paltry number of dogs and cats, opening the position for rebid and accepting Sandy Mallow's lower (more reasonable) bid for the position, ARC began a new quest to humiliate the County Commission by using Sandy Mallow as a scrape goat.

Fitzgerald, using a private investigator out of Ohio to trespass on Sandy Mallows private property and take clandestine photos of her personal animals, has made an animal abuse and neglect complaint against her...coinciding with his refused bid.

To further fuel the flames of humiliation, Fitzgerald made a beeline down to the Pocahontas Times where a biased reporter printed Fitzgeralds accusations of abuse and the photographs- without doing a journalism investigation of his own before printing the one-sided and skewed report.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's going on in this sordid drama.

Sandy Mallow took care of her own private animals and County animals for the last 13 years and Fitzgerald never concerned himself with the welfare of those animals by filing an abuse and neglect report against Mallow. Is it just a coincidence that his sudden concern coincides with Mallow taking over after her bid to the County was accepted and Fitzgerald's rejected?

Of course, this is just speculation on my part...my opinion. But it's also the opinion of many, many other County residents who can see things for what they really are. Sour grapes. At the expense of someone who is caught in the crossfire between Fitzgerald and the County Commission.

normanalderman
Sep 10, 2011
12:42 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I have posted the pics of this mess online! You are welcome to examine them and make your own decision. The animals are living in their own excrement at Durbin. They were moved from a sparkling clean facility and taken to a place that doesn't even have a true shelter. You can judge for yourself what is going on. It is going to be interesting to see what the sheriff is going to do about the animal cruelty complaint.

http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/

normanalderman
Sep 10, 2011
12:43 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

We are living in an electronic age; you can see for yourself what is going on in Durbin!

freeholder
Sep 10, 2011
11:42 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

The moral of the story seems to be ;the lowest bid may not be the best one. Can dog waste contaminate the springs which are the source of Durbins water? An inspection tour of a tax supported dog pound would not constitute trespassing.

Pam Pritt
Sep 10, 2011
12:41 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Bunny,
To address some of your concerns with the newspaper, you may call me at my office. 304-799-4973.
The group accompanied a county commissioner, so the photos were not clandestine.
And, in defense of our reporter, he attempted to contact Ms. Mallow via email; her telephone number is unlisted. We had no other means of communication with her. Our reporter has been to Ms. Mallow's shelter and written a story about her operation, placing her, at the time, in a very positive light.
No one at the newspaper, to my knowledge, has any personal issues with Ms. Mallow at all.
The story was about conditions at a public shelter, funded by Pocahontas County tax dollars.

Trish McNaull
Sep 10, 2011
8:40 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Mike and I were concerned about the growing controversy over conditions at the Shelter; we have "no dog in this fight," but feel compassion for the pets who are discarded once they are an inconvenience. We decided to visit the County shelter at Mallow's unannounced today, Saturday, to see the conditions firsthand. We arrived at 3 PM, and spent approximately 30 minutes touring the shelter area and Mallow's private yard/animals. She offered to show us all of the areas and responded to our questions. While the shelter area is not fancy, all dogs had clean spaces, shelter from sun and weather, water and appeared healthy. There were three young dogs together in one pen, but had ample space to run and jump around. We went into the building where cats were caged singly, in pairs and in trios. The spaces were clean and all of the cats appeared clear-eyed and healthy except 3 in one cage, which Mallow described as arriving with eye infections, but improving on the meds she is dispensing. She showed us a refrigerator that held dozens of boxes of medications. While the building had an odor, it was well-ventilated by two screened windows, one of which had a fan pulling air out.
Mallow then offered to show us her own animals; we saw two adjoining runs with individual doghouses that held two dogs, one of which was the husky pictured in the paper. The dog is elderly and receiving numerous medications. The runs were clean. Then we saw a separate shelter that housed about 6 dogs, mostly hounds that belong to Mallow's family. The dogs were on chains (definitely longer than 3 feet) fastened to the ceilings of the runs which allowed the dogs free movement about each fairly large area, as well as access to their raised doghouses. The floors were relatively clean. The doors of the runs did not have sufficient locking mechanisms to contain the jumping dogs, hence, the tethers.
Mallow's horses did not look emaciated; actually, they looked quite healthy for elderly horses, one of which was 30 years old. The run- in shed, while not fancy, offered adequate protection from sun and weather.
Is the shelter pristine and polished? No. Are unwanted animals treated humanely and cared for? It appeared so today, or I would be adding my voice to the dissent. My big question is how many animals can Mallow be expected to house on the current budget, and who sets the guidelines on euthanizing unadoptable dogs and cats; this is the reality, as the County has limited resources. Pocahontas County has a choice of unpopular tax increases to fund a state-of-the-art shelter, or making due with conditions that meet the basic needs of unwanted, discarded animals.
My own unanswered question is this: in these 2 County inspections, why did Commissioner Walker allow the losing bidders and their legal agent to accompany him and grant them access to not only the shelter, but also Mallow's private property?

normanalderman
Sep 10, 2011
9:46 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Apparently, the respondent needs to see the actual pictures! The actual pics are quite explicit! Even the ones in the Pocahontas Times are accurate reflections of reality. We even have video of the conditions the dogs are in.

The proper question should be asked is why the other two commissioners were not present. Plus the two losing bidders are taxpayers too. This situation is too gross and scandalous to be covered up anymore.

http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/

Trish McNaull
Sep 10, 2011
10:52 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I believe that in matters that are important to me, the most accurate picture is the one I see for myself. Today we drove 2 hours round trip to form our own impressions, which I shared in my previous post. If what I saw today is not indicative of the standard of care the animals can rely on, perhaps the Commissioners should make several unannounced visitations per month to establish reliability. If visits reveal inadequate care, then Mallow should be held accountable. If she is caring for the animals adequately, leave her alone. Harassment won't serve anyone, including the animals.
Impartiality assures authentication; surely the businessmen who lost the contract should not be the ones to have this responsibility. The primary interest they are serving is their own, not the animals.

normanalderman
Sep 10, 2011
11:49 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Trish, I don't know what to say! Did you take pictures of the place? In fairness, I would love to post them. I have trouble believing that she has cleaned that place up in three days! Did you see the horse with the knotted knees? Or the family dog with his ribs showing? Or what about the malamut? Has his health improved? I feel like the fellow who went to a funeral and commented as he passed the casket in the end that he just wanted to make sure that the corpse was the same person that the preacher was bragging about.

I have been told some 180 lbs of dogs were delivered to the landfill the other day so perhaps it did look better to you.

I am wondering if you stopped at the ARC on your way up and how that placed compared to what you saw. Was it filthy and had stuff lying on around it like Ms Mallow's? Would you be comfortable with your horse be kept by Sandy? Or what about a dog or a cat? Should an animal have to eat out of a moldy bowl or stand in its own feces all day long. Did you measure the chain? What about that dog who the video shows got tangled up its its chains?

I'll be glad to give you a little reminder of reality.

http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/2011/09/investigative-report-about-dogs.html

http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/2011/09/you-new-animal-shelter.html

I am also posting "Doggie Hell 2" Please compare this with what you saw.

freeholder
Sep 10, 2011
11:53 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I see the inspection of animal shelters to be in the domain of the health department;what about flies and groundwater contamination? Rabies and other infectious diseases? Are commissioners well versed in these areas? Bidders who lost could still have an interest in humane care of animals.I agree that they are taxpaying citizens and have a right to visit a dog shelter. The privately owned quarters of the keeper should be marked so no one could intrude accidentally.What is the salary for this unpleasant job?

normanalderman
Sep 10, 2011
11:54 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I have uploaded the actual pictures of this "Doggie Hell" at Green Bank!

http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/2011/09/realistic-look-at-dog-problem.html

normanalderman
Sep 10, 2011
11:56 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

At Marlinton there is no need for a distinction between private and public property. It is all public property! The Durbin site is not a humane place for the animals. They were moved from a facility owned by the county and one that had "washable" floors and walls. This is a downgrade from the past.

Bunny
Sep 13, 2011
11:04 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Trish, you saw exactly what I also viewed. Ms. Mallow isn't hiding anything, nor is she abusing or neglecting animals. The husky in the photos isn't being starved. He's overweight if you ask my opinion. His hair isn't falling out in clumps...he's SHEDDING. The "knobby kneed" horses Norman is yammering about are 25 and 30 years old. Ms. Mallow showed me paperwork from a Vet that stated the Vet had visited Mallow's farm to file the horses teeth and give them a checkup. The horses are healthy...just old. Most horses that old have sway-backs and knobby knees.

Fitzgerald and his private investigator aren't experts or certified to determine animal abuse/neglect. Neither is Norman Alderman. Only certified humane officers or Vets have the authority to determine animal abuse and neglect. Pictures don't always speak a thousand words, especially when the facts about the animals are omitted. Such as their AGE.

Mallow isn't running a "doggie hell" in Durbin. People should be ashamed for jumping to conclusions before having all the facts. And Fitzgerald should really look around to see who's listening when he's out shopping and telling within earshot that he's "going to have his shelter contract back" by the time he's done with Sandy Mallow.

My question is this. Done doing what? Sounds like a threat to me.

Martin Saffer
Sep 14, 2011
5:41 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I visited the shelter on Monday. Although it was not housed in the million dollar county owned building in Marlinton, which added much gravitas to the previous shelter, it was in my opinion adequate and every one I spoke with in the Community there said and confirmed that Ms. Mallow had the heart for the job which is apparent to me.

RML
Sep 14, 2011
8:30 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

People who are trying to do good for the county should not be the targets of an ill-informed smear campaign. We are fortunate to have anyone who will, for little or no profit, care for abandoned pets. Just because the animals don't look like they stepped out of the pages of Dog Fancy Magazine does not mean that they are not loved and properly maintained. This entire Durbin shelter debate has been a tempest in a teapot which has done far more harm than good. -- Rich

Bunny
Sep 15, 2011
11:57 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Just because animals are housed in a million dollar County facility doesn't mean they are going to receive million dollar care. As Mr. Saffer stated, Sandy Mallow does have the heart for the job. If she didn't, she wouldn't have devoted 13 years to the County as Animal Control Officer.
She also provided the County with a monthly statement, accounting for her expenditures and providing a disposition for each animal (adopted, euthanized etc.)as opposed to Fitzgerald who did not.

Sandy Mallow provided proof that she had a %95 adoption rate for County animals. What about Fitzgerald? In the 18 months he held the position, how many animals did he take to the Vet to have put down and how many were adopted? He was given large amounts of money by both the County and Humane Society for the care of the animals. If he wasn't required to account for his expenditures, how are County taxpayers to know if the money was used properly?

A tempest in a teapot doesn't even begin to describe how this debate has affected Ms. Mallow and her family. I agree with RML that it has done an extreme amount of harm. Ms. Mallow is being maligned now by Norman Alderman on his Commentater webpage, which is filled with lies. For example, Alderman (among others) claims Ms. Mallow is neglecting County animals because she has a full time, 40 hour week being employed at Snowshoe and she doesn't have the time to take on another position with the County.

Ms. Mallow is NOT employed at Snowshoe and hasn't been since June 30th of this year. She had employment with Snowshoe after she resigned her Animal Control Officer position with the County
last fall, but handed in her resignation at Snowshoe and gave them notice that her last day would be June 30th. Well before she turned in a bid to the County.

What good does it do for Alderman and other's involved to perpetuate those kinds of falsehoods? Other than ruin Ms. Mallow's reputation?

Alderman also printed photographs that show he trespassed on Ms. Mallow's private property. He takes credit for the photos which show, quite clearly, a "NO TRESPASSING" sign.

Since when do people have the right to ignore posted property and invade someones right to privacy, then brag about it?

There's obviously no fear of consequences from law enforcement and a complete disregard of an individuals civil rights.

It's also rather curious that Alderman promotes the fact that Ms. Mallow does not have an indoor sheleter with "washable floors and walls" and finds that is a "downgrade from the past" when in fact, Alderman, according to his prior statements on his other website, finds nothing wrong with Joel Rosenthal or David Cassell housing their woodland and exotic animals in outdoor facilities.

What's the difference between keeping a coyote in an outdoor kennel cpmpared to a Husky?

normanalderman
Sep 15, 2011
1:32 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

A few people will remember that it was Norman Alderman who went to court to get the ARC building back out of private hands. A group of people tried to steal that building from the CC a few years ago. We stopped them.

I am proud that the county has such an outstanding facility for the animals. I am disappointed that the animals can be there in a place of shelter from the storm. $25,000 has been invested by the county in the Marlinton facility. This is the best place for the animals. I have two sets of pics on the Commentator which show that vast difference between the Marlinton facility and the current facility. There are no "No trespassing" signs in Marlinton. The place is clean and a great shelter for the animals. Let's get those animals back to Marlinton where they belong.

I never took any of those pics. They were taken by the people at the ARC and the investigator. They are not manipulated in any way. I will post anybody's pics that show Sandy's shelter. I have supported Sandy in the past and I, too, believe that he has the heart for the job and that she loves the animals. But let's be honest, the Durbin facility is no place for the animals.

I drove by the Huntersville site and it would make a great site for an animal shelter but it will probably cost a fortune to build one there like the ARC building. My question is simple: would it be better to use the facility we have instead of building a new one. Sandy is putting a lot of effort out building cages that she wouldn't have to do at the ARC.

freeholder
Sep 15, 2011
1:55 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Ms. M. certainly has a pr expert in her corner: Mr Alderman does not seem to have one.The photos as shown do indicate squalor or at least a bit of untidyness.I reiterate that public health is the issue,not the extolling of a female St. Francis. Love of animals takes second place to protecting the public from rabies, water contamination and the general danger and nuisance of stray and abandoned dogs.Dog owners should be taxed and if they have more than 2 or three, then they should pay a kennel tax as is done in Charleston. That would bring in sufficient funds to have a modern, clean,humane dog pound which would be inspected weekly by a health officer knowledgeable about disease and its vectors.I do not know the dangers ,if extant,of housing an occasional exotic animal in outdoor structures.Mr. Rosenthal is a person of great scientific knowledge and would be aware of them.

normanalderman
Sep 15, 2011
2:13 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Parvo: When the Rainbow family came on its last visit there was an outbreak of parvo. It can be devastating to the animals. I personally haven't seen any animals at that shelter than look like they are healthy.

Bunny
Sep 16, 2011
4:25 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Love of animals DOES take "Second place" when it comes to "Protecting the public from rabies, water contamination and the general danger and nuisance of stray and abandoned dogs."

What reason do you have, freeholder, to make veiled innuendo that Sandy Mallow does not do those things?

While her facility may look like "Squalor" and "untidy" to you, it does protect the public from the nuisance of stray and abandoned dogs, not to mention the fact that Ms. Mallow isolates those dogs from the public, so there's not much chance of infection the unsuspecting public from rabies.

Unlike Fitzgerald's operation, the dogs at her facility are not housed in a PUBLIC building where a large population of the PUBLIC go to shop at a farmer's market. Someone even had a FOOD COURT in the ARC building where the animals were being housed. How's THAT for exposing the public to contamination?

freeholder
Sep 16, 2011
7:09 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Veiled innuendoes? is that a double negative or a double positive?I am informed by the pictures and description of Mr. Alderman., not by a personal visit which I do not wish to make. Also,others posts said nothing about rabies, public health, water contamination,but dwelt on personalities and private pique. The public health officer will no doubt check the facility .He/she has the educational background to spot health hazards. I did not know that the dogs were near a food court. That was not included in the description. The people in Durbin need to ascertain that the ground water is not being contaminated because it flows into the spring which is the source of their water.A useful topic may be to increase dog taxes and kennel taxes so that there are sufficient funds to operate a safe, modern animal control facility.

Bunny
Sep 16, 2011
9:58 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

As I said once before, pictures don't tell the whole story. If you're basing your information on photos posted by Norman Alderman and "description" provided by him, then you're basing your judgement on someone who isn't telling you the whole story in words AND in pictures. Norman Alderman has a "private pique." If I do, it's not because I'm supporting one side or the other. It's because I took the time and effort to make that personal visit you said you didn't want to make, and I saw first hand that Norman Alderman is feeding you a line of crap. Showing and telling only one side of the story.

That "public health officer" that's supposed to investigate Sandy Mallow's facility is a Veterinarian. The Vet already did an inspection and although I don't know what his/her finding were, I guarantee that Norman Alderman will dispute the findings if the Vet doesn't determine the matter in Fitzgeralds favor. In other words, if the Vet says there was no evidence of animal abuse or neglect, Alderman will claim that the Vet was prejudiced and didn't write about the case objectively. Or the Vet was paid off, or whatever other lie he can make up to explain why the Veterinarian didn't find abuse and neglect.

I am not aware that a Veterinarian was asked to spot groundwater contamination or any other type of health hazard that isn't in the realm of experience. I do know that Sandy Mallow ran the County shelter for 13 years prior to ARC ever existing, and up until now, not a single person in this County (including Norman Alderman) has ever taken any interest in whether the groundwater is being contaminated. Matter of factly, no one has ever so much as asked the County Commission to have any "professional" even check her facility for any kind of health concern.

But all of a sudden it's an issue? And where were you and your concerns during County Commission meetings? If it's a great concern, why didn't you address the County Commission sometime during the last 13 years and ask them to investigate?

Fitzgerald was never "investigated" when he had the animals at his shelter, nor did anyone ask a health official to ascertain that his facility wasn't a health hazard. No one ever trespassed on his private property and took photos of his personal animals or bothered to go to the County landfill and demand to see how many pounds of dead animals Fitzgerald paid to have deposited there.

It's a double standard being imposed on Sandy Mallow. Now. Is that a double negative or a double positive?

I do agree with one thing you said. The County does need a modern animal control facility. With all the money they socked into ARC, they could have built a brand new facility from the ground up and let the Humane Society run it...the same way the other Counties in our State do. At least we'd be assured the Humane Society's priority is the animals rather than the salary.

normanalderman
Sep 16, 2011
10:37 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I provided pics of the Fitzgerald operation and Sandy's operation! I will gladly publish any "third" set of pics. I just don't have any more and Sandy's operation is definitely not inviting folks to look for themselves, i.e. no trespassing signs.

freeholder
Sep 17, 2011
9:36 am
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Durbin, with its propensity for unpleassing press, does not need an unsightly animal sanctuary perched atop its spring fed water supply: Move the thing back to Marlinton. I do not understand the remark "being fed a bunch of @#@#!.It is not in the best interest of polite conversation.I look askance at being told to go to a commissioners meeting : If I communicate with them,I fax or use the services of the P.O.To aver so many "facts" about inspection,habits,cleanliness level about a dog pound suggests a great amount of time visiting them-- which I regard as unusual behavior at best.I believe that in Pokey as elsewhere, animal shelters are inspected by the public health authorities. The person who picks up lost or abandoned animals and gives them a modicum of care, though ,is to be admired for doing a dangerous but necessary job ; he/she needs to be paid well and be given paid assistants. In closing, I do not doubt the authenticity of the pictures nor see baleful motives on the part of Mr. Alderman .

the uknown
Sep 20, 2011
7:42 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Mr. Alderman you apparently just like to keep the pot stirred. There are no trespassing signs posted because that is also private property. However, you want to use it against Mrs. Mallow and act as if she is daring people to come on the property to view the shelter animals. What a fool you are. Most people who use their common sense, and their eyeballs for that matter, also noted that there is a sign posted with the contact number and hours the shelter is open for the public to come by. From what I understand, Mrs. Mallow has even made exceptions for several people who wanted to come up and view your accusatory remarks in person. Which also, from what I understand, found you and the investigator to be full of it and your so-called findings misleading and in my opinion, after visiting myself, down right lies. I saw about that you all have not went up youselves but instead want to spread gossip and falsehoods to as many people as you can reach. It is a shame that Mr. Alderman claiming to be a preacher acts the way he does. Very sad indeed. I would encourage those of you who have concerns to go up, as I did, and view things for yourself. Maybe you can even pitch in while you're there. Walk a dog or something. It is a very rewarding experience to say the least. Mrs. Mallow worked very hard there and I witnessed the love she has for those animals by the care she takes of them. True it isn't a million dollar building but it certainly is a place built with love. If you have not went and visited during business hours or made arrangements to go up at another time, then you honestly have no reason to say a thing in this matter, because otherwise you are just spreading lies.

normanalderman
Sep 20, 2011
10:05 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Stop by the ARC building and all questions will be answered. It is so much nicer there and it is a million dollar building.

Bunny
Sep 21, 2011
2:29 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Oh really? Who exactly at the ARC building will be answering questions? The same ones who trespassed on Mallow's private property and accused her of abusing and neglecting animals? Right.

If I remember correctly, ARC didn't exactly take kindly to people asking any questions when they were operating the shelter, so why should they be willing to have people question them now?

Freeholder said "does not need an unsightly animal sanctuary perched atop its spring fed water supply."

Durbin is chock full of "unsightly" homes, abandoned buildings and other eyesores too numerous to mention. The inhabitants of Durbin don't hesitate to throw their garbage and household trash in the river. Speaking of contaminating the water supply; what about the tires, car parts and old appliances your residents chuck into the river? On my last trip, I saw quite a few other handy spots (such as over the side of the mountain) that are also being used as a dumping ground.

I'd be more concerned over motor oil and freon leaking into my water supply than I would be over dog poop.

RML
Sep 21, 2011
5:14 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Animals get old. Some get sick. Old or sick animals can appear to be neglected even when well cared for.

Before he died, my dog Topper looked like a poster dog for animal abuse. His fur was ratty and he was so frail that I had to carry his 75-pound frame outdoors twice a day so that he could do his 'chores'. Regardless of how it looked, Topper was cared for with great love and tenderness until his end.

Reality can be far more complicated than what is captured in a photograph. All of us will eventually become old or sick. When we do, which is more important: A clean, empty room? Or a gentle, caring friend? -- Rich

the uknown
Sep 21, 2011
5:23 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Mr. Alderman you want to make such remarks and in truth you know not a whole lot. I went by the ARC building once to look for a dog that had come up missing and I was met outside and not even offered to go in and look. It was during "their hours" of operation. I was not welcomed. I was instead told that there was nothing like that in there. Right. Later on I found out that there was a few of the breed I was looking for in there. I am not sure why you are trying to toot your horn because you are somewhat unknowledgable about this whole situation and only have words that have passed through other mouths and eyes. You haven't even checked in to this yourself. Please zip it for once.

freeholder
Sep 21, 2011
6:23 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Eyesores in Durbin are not situated atop the large spring which is located out of town and thus under the jurisdiction of the state or county health department. The refuse in the Greenbrier would contaminate the water of those who live down stream, also in the purview of state officials. These are important matters but not relevant to dog dung above the spring which is the topic of (discussion)!!!??

normanalderman
Sep 21, 2011
7:15 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Freeholder, is the dog dung migrating into Durbin's water supply?
Our current sanitarian is not too sensitive to manure in the water supply.
He allows Snowshoe's dung to be sprayed on the farm behind the observatory.

normanalderman
Sep 21, 2011
7:18 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Bunny, check out the junkyard at Green Bank and look for the erosion restraints!!

normanalderman
Sep 21, 2011
7:20 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

Rich, I didn't take these pics! They say a pic is worth a thousand words. I wish we could post pics here then I would not the ones you take exception to! None of these pics were manipulated in any way.

My pics are posted on http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/

Here is the sewage problem in detail http://thepocahontascommentator.blogspot.com/2011/09/question-of-land-applied-sewage-human.html

freeholder
Sep 21, 2011
7:33 pm
Re: Animal Shelter Caught in the Crossfire

I do not know Norman,It is near the spring which is fed by groundwater and well--- gravity is gravity except in durbin which has an unusual kind. I refer to the two houses on the hill, side by side,one is on the sewer, the other is on a septic tank , owned by an installer of them.

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